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[–] Susurrus@lemm.ee 29 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As usual, mass propaganda turns the world black and white, and divides people exactly into two groups to make sure they never unite.

By the way, you can acknowledge that both sides are made up of the worst scum human history has ever seen and vote for the "lesser evil" at the same time! You don't have to, and you probably shouldn't let your vote influence your entire personality and/or belief system.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 11 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Both sides can't be "the worst" if one is "the lesser evil".

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[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago

at best is dark gray and black. there aren't any acceptable candidates. no one is perfect, but come on. how hard is it not to have neoliberal war criminals?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, both of the sides that aren't interested in fixing wealth inequality, the single most impactful trend, which is required to be fixed to fix many other problems, are the same.

The inability to force the rich to make meaningful concessions is a fatal flaw for both parties

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

they are a ratchet,

Dems are hell bent in maintaining wealth inequality, while conservatives just want to funnel more inequality into their pockets. then democrats forget that they have the power of fixing things and maintain the new status quo.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Meh.

IMO, the problem is that Dems aren't focusing on the economy in the correct way. Yeah, Biden did some good things. But you've still got massive wealth inequality, high rents and home prices, venture capital firms buying up small companies and jacking prices way the fuck up, executives raking in huge profits and salaries while laying off workers, etc. Dems keep saying, "the economy is great!" while working class people--the vast middle class in the US, which includes mid-level white collar jobs--are feeling like they're working hard for less. Ever since the crash in '08, jobs have been less stable, and people have been turning to gig work to make ends meet, or to have anything extra in their budgets. Sanders is the only left-leaning politician that's really banging on that drum.

Dems used to be out there running for good jobs for hard working people, work with dignity that you could live on. But they've been ignoring their roots for the last 40 years, and have been bought and sold by corporate America. The liberlization/globalization of the economy [EDIT] has largely been a disaster for working-class people, as they've been forced to compete against lower-wage workers, while the capitalist class gets even larger profits. (OOH, the liberalization of America's trade policies has resulted in millions of people outside of the US being able to live in something other than grinding, abject poverty.)

In addition to that, Biden's debate performance was a fucking disaster, and made it very, very clear to everyone that he was absolutely not fit to be president. Harris should have put some distance between herself and Biden, but she couldn't, or wouldn't; she was suggesting that we continue the same policies that are squeezing the working class, rather than calling for systemic reform.

Meanwhile, Trump was promising that he'd make foreign companies pay, and that he'd bring good jobs back. If you're a low-information voter that doesn't understand how tariffs work, and don't think about the logistics of bringing all the manufacturing back, then this sound great.

Meanwhile, you've got the whole right wing media machine telling people--mostly men--that they're right to feel screwed. And yeah, they are. It's just that it's not 'libs', women, typical immigrants, etc.; it's corporate profiteering, trade globalization, the loss of power from unions, importing highly-skilled labor to displace higher-paid American workers (e.g., H1-B abuse), outsourcing everything, etc.

If Dems want to win, they need to get serious about good jobs that pay a living wage for middle America, putting a choke-chain on corporate profiteering, and rebuilding the power of labor.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They won't; sponsored by the big capital, they are not capable of providing a large systemic change without losing the platform to speak on.

The issue is systemic, and Dems are not fit to solve it. Third party, funded by the regular people, is the only way forward.

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[–] Redfeather@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Totally the same. Biden picked Deb Holland for head of DOI and attempted to make an earnest apology for the US's genocide of Natives via boarding schools.

Tronald Dump did exactly the same thing and cut $300 billion from food assistance that includes Indian country, which are basically third world countries with very little access to food, clean water, housing that isn't a makeshift sheet metal, or healthcare that could prevent life long disabilities and/or premature death.

[–] Philosaraptor7@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago

Biden was lip stick on a pig. Trump is cutting a pig open.

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

These comments make me realize just how many people don't really know their history.

[–] nuko147@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago

Glorification of the badies, because the worst came to power...

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Do not glorify Biden. Go back to Obama if you want an actual worthwhile role model. Biden was 110% on board with Bush in going to Iraq and spent the last 20 years of his career aggressively trying to break social security. Fuck boomer Biden.

[–] Kinperor@lemmy.ca 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

I would say Obama is even worse than Biden as a role model to glorify.

You can draw a direct line between Obama's fellating of wall street and the rise to power of MAGA. He was elected on a mandate to punish the bankers and utterly failed at this task, he failed to enshrine Roe Vs Wade, and started a few wars. Combine this with other events like the management of Bernie Sanders' first attempt at the presidency, and you have a spectacularly inept democrat party that lost all credibility/appeal with swing voters.

Taking the current politics at face value, Trump would have 0 appeal if the democrats had a reasonable management of the border, if the democrats had actual economic politics instead of identity politics and didn't bend the knee to the military industrial complex as much as republicans did.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

At least he really pushed back against the ongoing genoci- oh wait, no, he did the opposite of that.

[–] Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

He was the guy who knew what needed to be done decades beforehand and was ousted by the mechanations of the neocons. I wonder how much could be different if Reagan wasn't able to make that deal with Iran to win the election.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

i once tried to go president by president in Wikipedia wondering how far I have to go before I find one president that didn't commit war crimes.

i gave up,

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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Genocide Joe is the liberal hero

[–] Soulg@ani.social 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah we need to not make Biden look like he was perfect and only good, it's very easy to illustrate how much better he was than Trump without ignoring the bad.

[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (16 children)

Why not add a third party here?

[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Because there haven't been any 3rd party presidents :(

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