I have zero doubt that if you could somehow wave a magic wand and make it so that men who are driven primarily by boner shame were unable to even comment, the whole anti-woke movement would instantly vanish.
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I get that you probably just didn’t think about the implications here, but this would mean there were no bigoted straight people.
The bigoted straight people are being accused of having shame-boners for something else, like say, trans women
Alex Jones is known to have lots of porn with trans women on his phone.
Those are classifications we made up, though. Reality is more fluid than that
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Imagine if gay people threw a fit every time a game forced them to be straight.
Come on KOTOR - why can’t me and Garth be a thing?
Let me have Garrus.
The only time I find “wokeness” to be an issue is when I’m watching a historical drama or a show based in the far past, yet a black character or gay character or a woman is looked at as an equal and treated as such by everyone. In that sense you’re using wokeness to erase the prejudice of the past and act like everyone has always been diverse and acceptant of it.
Wokeness by itself has never been an issue for me but the people who believe it's profitable to "be woke" often miss the point. I don't want a black character in place of an established white character. I want new stories that have that diversity from the foundation. I don't want things to be replaced, I want them to be phased out gradually by the introduction of more "woke" things seperated from current things.
Overcorrecting can be as bad as the problem originally was and in doing so can garner hate from an otherwise neutral party.
Agreed. People love Miles Morales and don't want a black reimagining of Peter Parker.
I get the decision to make Sulu bi in the star trek movies, but the problem was never that sulu wasn't allowed to be queer, but that George Takei wasn't. If anybody in TOS should be made bi it's Spock and Kirk. Sulu was just a straight character played by a gay actor.
Sulu was just a straight character played by a gay actor.
Not looking to pick a fight, but imo nothing about TOS was (totally) straight, least of all how Takei played Sulu.
You literally described the opposite of wokeness. To be "woke" is to hold the belief there are systemic injustices in American society, and a need to address them.
Pretending that these injustices didn't (and don't) exist isn't woke.
Exactly, when you try to be “woke” but it’s not genuine, you end up with shit that just makes things worse. Like when you erase one minority by recasting them as a differ minority, or when you add a “woke”character that ends up making the issue worse.
There’s a video I saw recently about a critic taking Snow White apart and there are clear moments in that movie where they tried to be modern and woke but ended up shtting the bed and making the left hate the movie just as much as the right
If you're describing "colourblind casting" then I actually really like that, because it's like peering through a mirror brightly, where our ancestors somehow got it right.
I don't know how to explain it, but there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. Does that make sense?
Is it a period piece or not? The script for Alien was cast with no regards sex or race. It's a good example of what I refer to as Casual Feminism, where the plot has nothing to do with feminism, but normalizes strong female characters. In contrast, Wonder Women does not normalize strong women because she's not normal.
If you're doing a period piece where inequality is well recorded as being the norm, then there would be care taken to accurately representing that. You can have characters who disagree with that norm, but they should be represented as an exception. The Baroque Cycle by Neal Stephenson had a lot of good examples of that. Daniel Waterhouse definitely did not agree with slavery, but was powerless to do anything about it.
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its just straight up disrespectful to those who had to face those horrors to try hiding it because people today wouldnt like it. people need to be made uncomfortable by the actions of the past or they have no reason to be better in the future
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"I can't not be trans!!"
ignores the very obvious (Back) option
isnt asmongold known to be a right winger.
Outright zionazi too. "No, I’m not going to cry a fucking river when people who have genocide baked into their laws are getting genocided" Here he's referring to the victims of the genocide in Gaza, half of which are children.
And is now a rabid transphobe too.
Option 1. Be popular streamer.
Option 2. Be able to read what's on the screen.
You can pick only one.
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You can be trans in BG3??? Perhaps I should try finishing act 2 after all …
This is Dragon Age Veilguard.
Although this isn't BG3, you can also choose to be trans in that game, yes. It doesn't affect the story in any way, though.
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I saw a thread of people bitching about how they could not avoid making Henry gay in KCD2. I didn't even know what the fuck they were on about, because there are only like 2 chances to be gay and you have to really want it because it takes a high speech check just to get the NPCs you can romance to admit they are gay, and even more to convince them you are too.
Besides, even if you somehow managed to "accidentally" be gay: you can just go to the church and pay for an indulgence so you're still good with God. 🤷🏻♂️
"Forgive me father, for I have sinned. I have thus sheathed mine sword in yonder field hand."
"That will be 1 Groschen, my son. Did you enjoy it?"
"Yes, Father"
"That will be 2 Groschen, then."
sometimes people just choose whatever the speech check is
i didnt know the confirmed bachlor perk in new vegas was making me gay i just took it for the damage buff and new dialogue options 😂
"Confirmed Bachelor" is a popular euphemism dating back to at least the 19thC, but especially common in the 1950s (from where Fallout gets a lot of its aesthetic).
Can we stop blaming queer people for homophobia? No, being a bigot does not mean you secretly like the thing/want the thing/are the thing. Yes it's funny when it happens, no that doesn't mean you can bring back "gay" as an insult as long as it is only against homophobes.
On the surface I agree with everything you said but I do think this is a conversation worth having.
Sexual repression is a real thing and personally I do think a large amount of the people that align with the character in the OP are upset because it makes them feel a certain way and that scares/upsets them.
Conservatives really do believe that things can "make you gay". Seems to me that people who think that external things can make them gay, might just actually be gay.
So I guess the focus might need to be more focused on the fact that video games can't actually make you gay.
Maybe the conversation just need more nuance.
Seriously I never got this. Just choose to not do the gay or don’t do Tash’s quest lines or use her in your party.
Maybe some of them, but that's hardly a prerequisite for this type of thinking/behaviour, and most of them likely are not. What they are is afraid of what it means for there to be difference. If people can be x, y, or z, then maybe they had possibilities cut off from them, happier lives they could have lived if they had gone their own way one this, that, or the other thing.
There's a type of rigid thinking at play: These are the options open to us all, and you will be punished if you deviate from them. And if they look around and see people deviating from those options and not being punished, they're forced to either confront the idea that their world view is arbitrary and wrong, or they're forced to be the ones doing the punishing. Or get to be the ones doing the punishing, depending on their relationship to violence.
Today it's trans people, yesterday it was queer folk, most days it's railing against descriptive linguistics and living language. These are people who will have a tantrum about anything, because the world outside of their head will never match the rigid one inside it.
This reminds me of when one of my friends was playing Fallout: New Vegas back when it was still new, and decided to give his character the "Confirmed Bachelor" perk...which states that it will give your (male) character a damage bonus against male enemies, and unique dialogue options for male NPCs. It was very implied to be the "make your character gay" perk, but he didn't realize it until he suddenly started getting flirty dialogue options with male NPCs.
He wasn't very happy...I still find it hilarious that he got mad about something he opted into.
For the record, we're more acquaintances than friends these days. He went hard right. Naturally.
There's a reason they make censorship mods. And I'm pretty sure they are the same people who used to cry about censorship in games every time.
The whole conversion therapy was pretty big evidence of this, yes. They are angry for having these feelings but blame society for ‘giving them’ the feelings.
Men are not taught how to deal with feelings cuz it is not manly to have feelings. Other than anger.
That’s what happens when you get infected by the broke mind virus.
Honestly, I never feel more alpha than when I get to spend time with my daughter, partner, sister, mom. Meanwhile these wannabe real male spend all their time at the gym looking at other bros's ass, working 60 hours a week with other dudes on construction sites, and watching other guys explaining them of to be alpha. Go figure.
100% That's why they think being gay is a choice, and that's why they resent out of the closet gays who get to live the life they have convinced themselves they cannot.
Yup. These people are bi and/or pan, but choose to have straight relationships. They think that because it's a choice for them, that it's a choice for everyone else too. Doesn't work that way.
This is really clarifying, thanks. It makes so much more sense now. The irrational assertion that is a choice is real for them. They don't understand that other people aren't bi. They think homosexual people have chosen the minority route out of some sort of stubbornness and that of they just up the social legal penalties it'll reduce the number of people publicly living the life that they secretly crave to explore but can't bear to admit to.
What getting tricked to jerk off to trans/femboy porn did to a generation of men...
That's why back in my day we called em traps
The religious indoctrination of children creates shameful and sexually repressed adults.
I like popping a bag of popcorn and dwelling in steam forums. KCD 2 was fun, just for this reason.
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