In danger? We've been experiencing that for decades now and it's now taking a nosedivem
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i like how its the same as getting shocked at falling birthrates, its been happening for the last 20 years. if you're earning a PHD in research consider europe as your backup plan. very little such avenue exists for MS/BS holders in the stems though.
American science will suffer. But you don't care for science in the US, anyway, so most people won't even notice the loss.
Oh they'll notice the loss...they just won't understand it
They'll notice they have lost ... something.
And then they will blame Democrats/immigrants for it
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark(1995)
Wow. Completely nailed it, unfortunately.
Do you also start to get weary of how they're always dead-on when it comes to pessimistic predictions? :(
I mean there are a few good actuate positive predictions. The family of laws that collectively are called Moore's law is decent offhand example.
Fuck.
Idiocracy had their time predictions wrong, it's already nearly there.
The most ludicrous part of Idiocracy is that the film makers thought the future it depicted would be 500 years away. Turns out, it was 20 years.
when the guy was in a deep statis, it did shows the progression starting almost immediately, and funny thing it had a AI basically managing the whole society in the future.
That's what I said
There's no way I'd send my kids to Harvard or MIT (or Stanford, Caltech, Yale, Princeton, etc. etc.) if I were a foreigner. Shit, I am an American and I think I'd probably prefer to send my kids to McGill at this point. I hope my outlook changes. And I write this as someone who has walked the halls of two of those prestigious universities.
america has been declining for quite some time, and many universities actively look for foreigners to come to thier universities, because they pay a ton more in tuition, our school while its not a prestigious state school at all, not even on the "map" we got rich foreigners/out of state people coming here in droves.
as of late the school suffered so much enrollment issues in the last few years, they are early accepting HS students that hadn't graduated yet, and is willing to waive some courses. (many former and current students, including me were very displeased by the way the school is going in terms of thier students career progression, and the lack of certain things like STEM wet lab experience, which is the most important thing in those majors, they barely offer any.
It's part of the plan. If you can't win over the more left-leaning academia, you can always just get rid of it. Worked out for both Hungary and Russia.
"in danger"
Why is it that all these articles seem to be written in the past?
Brain drain? They're flushing them!
and its being clogged with invasive species.
Brain Cistern
Unironically I would be literally thrilled to contribute to this brain drain. I'd drop everything and get on a plane right this very second for a chance to do a PhD in literally any other country.
If anyone is looking to fill a electrical engineering PhD position literally anywhere but America then I'm ya boy.
Finland has tuition free PhD programs for nationals of any country, Germany and Netherlands offer paid research positions where you basically are a full time student and still a part time lecturer - working hours can be tough though, since you need to balance the two. If you have some modest savings, Malaysia has some excellent universities and very cheap tuition (I'm doing my phd here and pay about 10k USD for a 3 year program) and cost of living is very low.
ive seen a MS holder being a TA/partial teaching of the lab only. it seem extremely stressful, hopefully hes done with his PHD by now. there were many in undergrad class were pretty uncertain with thier future in the stem.
Does Malaysia do their classes in English?
Yep, from highschool onwards the education system is fully in English. It's pretty much an exact copy of the British system from that point on, thanks to the colonial past.
In EEng most positions in Germany are without mandatory teaching. Unless you want to, as you would need teaching experience to be eligible for a professorship.
Germany is actually really good if you have a full-time position, as the salary is somewhat comparable to a normal job, at least in CS/CE.
Yeah, we gonna need loads of that for 7th gen fighters, resilient next-gen green smart grids, etc. Bon voyage!
PS: we're not better than the US, but at least our political systems can delay full fascist takeover for about 5-20 years...which may be enough time to reverse it politically or to at least create defenses against it.
These are places I would consider if I were able to go back to school:
- https://www.eng.mcmaster.ca/ece/degree-options/electrical-and-computer-engineering-phd/
- https://grad.uwo.ca/admissions/programs/program.cfm?p=41
- https://uwaterloo.ca/electrical-computer-engineering/doctor-philosophy-phd
- https://www.mcgill.ca/gradapplicants/program/electrical-engineering-phd
- https://www.sgs.utoronto.ca/programs/electrical-and-computer-engineering/
wish my CC dint made it thier mission that some of thier courses were as hard or harder than ivy leagues, they claimed its for "aligning" with certain transfer universities criteria(i personally think its bs, because i dint see an official memo of them saying its true), i think its meant to keep students perpetually(dropping retaking class, washing out of a class retaking it) in the cc so they can have a constant stream of funding.
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I think at this point, the danger has crystallized pretty thoroughly. Even if you somehow stopped everything that was currently happening, I don’t really know why anybody would want to come here anymore for university. Getting a degree is already stressful enough without having to worry about whether or not the institution will legally be allowed to keep you enrolled for the entire duration of your program.
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Of course. We have people in government who don't believe in germ theory. Education is extremely expensive, and if you don't pick a "Good" major, not only are you in debt, but shamed and mocked for it, since no one "forced" you to go. Jobs that require these degrees, even doctors, are not paying enough for people to live, study, and afford food. Why would you stay?
Also educated people tend to vocally disagree with fascists, so obviously fascists wants fewer of them around.
College educated skilled worker. I already left. I'm not looking back. Thanks Trump for making me realize how much the US was holding me back
Yuuup. Trump getting elected once was the writing on the wall, I wasn't going to wait and hope he didn't manage to return to power. Turns out that was a great decision, the Netherlands are amazing.
Yeah I was like, "In danger of? Bro it's already happening".
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Unless you're a true sociopath ready to take advantage of the situation, past a certain threshold of intelligence and knowledge being surrounded by MAGAmericans and propaganda aimed at them, and knowing your country can only get worse, must feel like torture.
It is. MAGA support just feels like insanity. Trying to discuss things with them about their reasoning is excruciating. I avoid people who I know are MAGA for the most part now. It’s just a black hole of demoralizing energy to try to break through their bubble.
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