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I decided I didn't need my ADHD meds anymore when I was in my late teens. Spent most of my 20s smoking about a pack a day and drinking 6 or 7 cups of coffee. I quit smoking in my late 20s, struggled until my early 30s, then started taking my medicine again and realized I was an idiot.
Ah, yes. that explains why i still crave cigarettes after quitting 10 years ago.
I’m at about 10 years myself. But I never have cravings. I once in a while smell someone smoking. And I just realize how long it’s been since ive smelt that smell.
I get hypomania from intense stimulants like Vyvanse but atomoxetin, which I'm on right now, doesn't work as well even at the highest dosages. Sooooo I heavily self medicate with nicotine, it's good that it also feels amazing
Just don't smoke actual cigarettes, guys. I guess everything tobacco is bad (I'd argue for snuff though), but cigarettes really are that much worse than everything else
Why not nicotine gum? Or the patches?
(Asking as someone who grew up around smokers, dippers, and chawers - and now I'm incredibly grossed out by tobacco spit)
Oh. So these are medicinal cigarettes I'm smoking?
I can tell by your username that they’re actually jazz cigarettes
You talkin bout that wacky tobacky?
My theory, which there's no evidence, is that we ignore the effects of modern society, and that people are very anxious. And sometimes we're too caught up in our own ass to recognize anxious behavior, but some people get overwhelmed. I feel a lot of people are in a constant state of fight or flight and with things like the fear of missing out or the constant push and pull of this meaning of life, making a peasant's wage without even a peasant's day off creates very scatter-brained, anxious, citizens. Cigarettes are stimulants. People do drugs because they're sad. People normalize this sadness because what else is there? I mean, imagine losing your job and being really good at it, but then some subservient cock sucker is getting promoted. And you sit there and expected to internalize this. I mean, you ain't no rocket scientist, but you can fucking do basic algebra, and the numbers don't fucking add up. Not only that. You learn that the metrics aren't even taken in account, certain variables. So it's just like lower the bar we're doing great. I also think the emotional trauma that people experience can manifest itself. As it repeats itself over and over again, the brain chemistry changes. It is a self-fulfilling fucking prophecy. is the by-product of a world with exponential gains is the by-product of a world with exponential gains but no improvement at the bottom. Mass shooters are the byproduct of socioeconomics. Stop calling people incells. They're fucking mad, angry, confused, and poor. Men are suffering. Women are suffering. Families are suffering. And memes, they don't do enough. There is no war but the class war. https://www.theviolenceproject.org/
So your link is to a great org, doing good work, but I was secretly hoping it was a link to a “violence project” detailing a plan for a violent class war … :( I think I need to relax
This may be a joke but nicotine treats symptoms of adhd
Is this for real? It would make sense why my adhd feels like it is getting worse as I age. I quit speed, then smoking, then caffeinated drinks.
Yes. All stimulants treat the symptoms of ADHD. You were self-medicating that whole time, although your results were way worse than you would get with a controlled dosage of a time-release stimulant like Adderall. If you don't want to go back to stimulants, even under a medical setting, regular exercise will help regulate your symptoms (I personally like 30 to 40 minutes of cardio 3 to 4 times a week).
I knew the caffeine and speed was self medicating. But I did not realize about the nicotine.
I hike 8-9km a day over about 2 hours.
Do you drink any coffees or teas? I don’t really touch caffeinated sodas these days, but I believe coffee and tea with caffeine are great since the caffeine is a stimulant which can help with focusing. The most important thing is consuming caffeine in moderation and at the right time, I believe. Drinking coffee only really helps in the first hour or so of waking up for instance or before a twenty minute nap.
I feel that Healthline does a pretty decent job of weighing the pros and cons.
No. I on occasion drink iced tea, but that is like one a month at the most. I used to drink chai daily, but switched to a variety that uses chicory instead of black tea.
I vape. It is helpful. I've quit a couple times,and it's correlated with suicidal thoughts. (I hesitate to claim it is casual, but definitely correlated.)
Stimulants help with ADHD symptoms. Adderall is chemically similar to speed.
Why do you suspect the link is connected to your ADHD? Could the suicidal thoughts not just stem from nicotine withdrawal?
To widen the anecdotal data set, I have ADHD and have been using nicotine since I was 16 (29 now). I quit for ~8 months a few years back by making my own vape juice and tapering my nicotine dose down over a period of several months. I never experienced withdrawal symptoms, but my mental health tanked on lower doses and it got even worse when I was completely off nicotine. I was way more irritable, impatient, scatterbrained, and depressed. It was not fun
Nicotine is a mild simulant, yes. All of those things are frequently used by people to "self-medicate", but the downsides are obviously pretty steep.
Wait whats the downside to caffeinated drinks?
I believe there are downsides only if you are drinking too much caffeine or if it is in conflict with one of your medications or existing health conditions, afaik.
Healthline weighs the pros and very few cons of caffeine.
Oh ok. Phew.
And most self medication options are pretty bad at the medicating part.
I was under the impression nicotine was on a similar risk profile to caffeine. Are you referring to the tobacco plant in general?
Nicotine in pretty much any amount is cardiotoxic, caffeine (in moderate amounts) is pretty much neutral afaik. They both may or may not be carcinogens depending on the study. Thats pretty much it I think
this is my impression as well regarding nicotine. however, i have noticed people are not interested in examining that and continue to conflate nicotine with cigarettes (high risk) and vaping (misconstrued risk).
i also believe many view a nicotine addiction through a sort of moral lens they don't apply so readily to caffeine.
"treats"
"Temporary alleviates" then. It also has a mild, though short-lived, antipsychotic effect, which is thought to be the reason people suffering from schizophrenia tend to be chain smokers at a higher rate than the general population.
Tbf he said symptoms, not cause.