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[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Considering that water autoionizes, yes - it is both an acid and a base.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

Inclusive or

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago

"I'm whatever you aren't, you fucker" - water, to the substance you mixed with it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

H2O is neutral PH, and so answer is no. But then water tends to have a bunch of shit disolved in it. So answer is yes.

A self-contradicting proposition based on ambiguity of definition of water, of all things. This statement can be used to make HAL explode.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you take into consideration the self-ionization of water, it's both, at the same time.

2 H~2~O -> H~3~O^+^ + ^-^OH

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

AFAIU, it doesn't change the PH neutrality.

I understand that they self combine/react again? But is that reaction still water?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Autoionization and the reverse reaction are constantly happening in water, and when the reaction is happening at the same rate forward and backward the system is said to be "at dynamic equilibrium" (aka, stuff is happening, but there's no net change)

In pure water, the equilibrium concentration of hydronium and hydroxide are equal, so it's said to be neutral. At room temperature, that equilibrium concentration is approximately 1*10^-7 moles per liter, which gives a pH of 7 (since pH is defined as the negative log _10 of hydronium concentration)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

It's not neutral, pure water is slightly acidic due to free hydrogen

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Little bits of it oscillate between hydronium and hydroxide so a little of both but not enough to make a difference.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's why the meme works. It's not because water autoionizes; it's because water is amphoteric, meaning it can act as either a Brønsted-Lowry acid or BL base depending on what what it's reacting with. Put water with ammonia, and water acts as an acid. Put water with acetic acid, and it acts as a base

Source: I teach college chemistry

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Water is so cool. I like how the hydrophobic effects drives protein folding

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I once brought up in a family dinner how incredible and strange water is, and how we don't really think about it.

It appears naturally in all three phases, expands when frozen, has a high surface tension, has a high specific heat, and can behave as a mild base or acid. Oh, and all the living stuff has water in it.

Nobody really understood what I meant except my sister.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

If it makes you feel any better, I totally get it.

I’ve thought many times how different the universe would be (would complex life on earth even work the same way???) if frozen water became more dense and sank like most frozen substances.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do you know about ortho/para-H~2~O? It only gets weirder.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Neat, I will be saving this and reading it when I'm less busy... maybe I'll get back to you on it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago
[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

Ah yes amphoteric compounds

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Do you mean dihydrogen monoxide?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Close, the standard IUPAC acid nomenclature would be "hydrohydroxic acid"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Pretty sure the OP meant hydrogen hydroxide.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What is the PH of the water? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh! So that's why hot water burns you!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I know it's a joke and all, but it's not just the pH that makes something burn. A regular coke has a pH of around 2.5, for example.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh yeah? Then explain the sensation my sphincter feels upon butt-chugging three cans of coke, smart guy?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I believe that's caused by the CO2, but I'd have to test to be sure, brb.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They still aren't back... Oh god, did you do 4 cans?! Everyone knows you can't do 4 cans!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Now you tell me?!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I don't know, I heard that coke can burn a hole in your septum

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

It is the final frontier for either, your meme could have been so much more interesting. SAD.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Is this about the anomaly of water? I vaguely remember it from school

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

No, this is about water being amphoteric compound meaning it behaves like a acid or base in different circumstances.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphoterism

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

You mean it lives on land and in the pond?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The water molecule is amphoteric in aqueous solution

A water molecule in aqueous solution. How can you tell it's being dissolved, or doing the dissolving?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In high school I was told that one in avagadros number of water molecules splits into ions.
Is that right? It seems like a very small amount.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

The dissociation constant of pure water at RT is 1x10^-14. This is many magnitudes more than just one per avogadros number. The "trick" is that any given molecule of water basically has that 1x10^-14 chance of being split or otherwise whole at any given time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Isn't water itself the pretty literal definition of 0 and it doesn't become one or the other until it's a solution with something else?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Water is the definition of 7.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Right, whatever the midpoint was. It's been a minute since my last chemistry class.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Also I’m pretty sure it’s only coincidentally 7. The calculation for pH isn’t based on any property of water.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Well, yes and no. The pH scale follows the hydrogen ion concentration, but specifically in aqueous media. The reason 7 is in the "middle" of the scale is because the natural dissociation of water sits at equilibrium at 10^-7 M H+ at 298K, IIRC. So perturbations naturally just displace that specific equilibrium, so it absolutely is normative to water.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Interestingly enough, in other solvents a neutral pH is going to be a different value. IIRC, ammonia has an autoionization constant of 10^-30, so a neutral pH would be 15

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

By that definition, it can’t be exactly 7 then either. 10^-7 is just an estimate that we’ve agreed works fine. To my knowledge we haven’t really tried to improve this accuracy either?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

The exact value varies with temperature, so it's a "good enough for the typical variations in temperature experienced by most aqueous solutions" estimate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

But is it +0 or -0? Neutral 0 is a lie, a measurement precision error.