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Three men who identified themselves as Homeland Security officers raided a courthouse in downtown Charlottesville Tuesday, detaining two men without explanation (dailyprogress.com)

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[–] [email protected] 317 points 6 days ago (4 children)

What alarmed Nicholas Reppucci, head of the Charlottesville Office of the Public Defender, is that the enforcers called in to detain the two men in the city Tuesday morning were wearing plain clothes and did not display badges or arrest warrants.

Sounds an awful lot like kidnapping. So then the question becomes: why didn’t the court officers or local police arrest the so-called “ICE agents”? Up to and including firing on the assailants, if necessary? Because if you don’t show your badge, and you can’t back it up, you are not who you say you are. And that becomes broad-ass daylight kidnapping. And the actual uniformed officers did nothing (I know why they did nothing - the call is coming from inside the house).

[–] [email protected] 85 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Because the people who work at the court were likely complicit.

Of course they wouldn't tell the Public Defender, but that doesn't mean that he bailiff or whatever, wasn't in on it.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 6 days ago

Sounds like a courthouse that is absolutely corrupt of the constitution and should be all held to treason. The U.S. brought back the firing squad, and the president preaches for no trials. If anyone knows me I love this country. That said, I'm fairly sure this country says we are required to shoot the judge by firing squad without a trial? Or maybe they havent been clear. Is it just racism based slaughter, or slaughter all around they support?

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well maybe we can use this and go get Lugi. Just claim to be ICE and maybe the courts let us get him, thinking we going deport him to El Salvador.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago

Hey, if it’s stupid but it works, it’s not that stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 5 days ago (43 children)

What alarmed Nicholas Reppucci, head of the Charlottesville Office of the Public Defender, is that the enforcers called in to detain the two men in the city Tuesday morning were wearing plain clothes and did not display badges or arrest warrants.

Presumably, the courthouse is filled with cops and others with arrest authority, so why did they allow two men in plainclothes without badges or warrants leave with two people?

If the DOGE pirates had been gunned down in the first lobby the invaded, it would have ended there, or at least gone down a different path.

We should not be normalizing this behavior, and setting precedents. Without a badge, you will not be listened to, and you will leave the building immediately. Without a warrant, you will not be putting your hands on any person. If you attempt to bypass either requirement, you will be arrested. And if you attempt to do enforce your demands by force, you will be shot.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago

On the plus side, if anybody reading this ever has reason to think that they might need to go into a police station and remove someone being held there, apparently if you and a friend or two look sufficiently the part, you can just walk in, in plainclothes, and claim to be Homeland Security, and just... take a dude and leave.

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[–] [email protected] 189 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Let’s assume for a moment that the abducters here were federal agents.

How long before people get the bright idea that they can pull a stunt like this without being federal agents? Has that already happened?

[–] [email protected] 97 points 6 days ago (1 children)

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning/index.html

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I suppose the scenario I was really thinking of is one where someone is literally abducted by adults, and not just fucking idiot kids playing fuck around.

Which has happened in the article posted here, we're just taking them on their word that they're actually federal agents.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, this was the part that really got me:

“Show us a warrant,” the video shows one of the two women demanding as they attempt to get between the detainers and the detainee.

“Do not touch me or impede me in my lawful duties,” the man in the pink shirt responds. “We are officers from Homeland Security.”

That's a real bully-logic move right there. How are we supposed to know that these are your lawful duties if you're refusing to show us your warrant or even your badge? Like, if she had blocked them at this point and the issue were brought to court (and yes, it's ironic that this is happening in a court), then I can't imagine a jury saying "well yeah, you can't prevent a guy from abducting someone just because he won't give you any indication other than a pinky swear that he has the legal authority to do it." But, of course, the obvious implication in the moment was that since he was from the "abduct people in an unmarked van with unlimited authority" branch of the government, this wasn't going to a jury trial, and she was either getting out of the way or she was going in the van too.

I dunno, man. It's scary.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

So what I'm gathering here, is if you can get some friends together, you can get yourself out of court in a pinch.

This is not behavior they want to encourage long term

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Trump isn't thinking in the long term. He's usually not even thinking in the short term.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Florida Woman Posed as ICE Agent to Detain Ex-Boyfriend's Wife: Police https://www.newsweek.com/florida-woman-latrance-battle-ice-agent-detain-ex-boyfriend-wife-2062962

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Pretty sure some people showed up at San Francisco City Hall claiming to be with DOGE and demanding they be given access to personal files.

The staff refused and when they finally called the police the men claiming to be with DOGE fled the scene.

It was just some insane MAGA duds pretending to be with DOGE.

Especially with ICE going into schools and other previous safe zones now, think about how easy it would be for people to take advantage of these situations.

If a person is already willing to kidnap someone, do you really think they wouldn't easily be willing to disguise their own identity, command authority and prey on people's fears of retaliation for not complying?

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[–] [email protected] 178 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Maybe shoot kidnappers? Amazing how often your guns are used to kill school children and how rarely to fight injustice.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Maybe shoot kidnappers?

Normal people cannot legally carry firearms into a Court House.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago (11 children)

Is there no law enforcements with weapons in your courts? And also what about the kidnappers on the streets? Have any gotten shot so far?

Iknow people simply do not want to risk their life and thats fair but i wonder about the use scenario for all these weapons you guys own and i do not understand why besides having a fetish for weapons.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (3 children)

To add on to what @[email protected] and @[email protected] said, the primary use-case for personal firearms in the US outside of hobby/hunting in day-to-day is self-defense, and as a last resort.

Even with a concealed carry permit, most states' concealed carry laws state that you can only use your weapon if you have no method of retreat, and retreat should always be the first option. (Rightly so.)

Second problem that this seething pile of shit administration has created, is even if you were cornered, no way out, and used a gun to defend yourself, as soon as they say (real, fake, made up, or retroactively) "oh that was a Federal agent" you're now looking at having to deal with the Federal "justice" system, which is currently a big lying pile of shit that does whatever it wants with no regard for any life. (State and local laws are, for the most part, still functioning correctly.)

So basically, a death-and/or-El-Salvador concentration camp sentence for the person-that-would-be-helping.

Signing up as a rogue citizen to defend others, as a firearm owner, is at minimum legal fees, possible loss of firearms, possible jail time, or these days, possible disappearing.

You basically have to be in a mental state of writing off your own life to do such an act. If we are at that point, we're probably in civil war.

There's not cowboy justice in modern America, most of the time, surprisingly. Only Federal cowboy injustice.

Closest that could be maybe done is if a group of armed citizens in a state where open-carry is legal set up groups to protect those being targeted by the Nazis just outside the legal land boundary of the courts. Specifically because officers (read: thugs) are trained to shoot first and ask questions later. You'd need a mass of armed citizens, not touching their firearms, so the thugs know they're outnumbered and no matter how tiny-penis-brain they are, they know they'll probably come out dead if they escalate. Still very risky, could easily escalate as the thugs are also trained to purposely aggravate citizens so the citizens will make a mistake and the thugs can "apply the law" (do whatever they want with no consequences) as they see fit. This would be the tipping point Mango Mussolini wants to declare Martial Law across the US, and then we're back to the civil war thing. All the rules change at that point, and the perceived "authority" that the ICE cowards think they have disappears, but we're also looking at massive loss of life, no matter how it plays out. Unlike the Nazis, most Americans value life.

It sucks, right? When a majority of a country follows its laws, but they're dealing with human trash in power that can mutate it at-will with almost god-mode powers, it becomes infinitely more complex to save the People and Democracy. They've done a good job stacking the deck in favor of Tyranny.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago (7 children)

A comment almost exactly like this got me permabanned from reddit. It's like they're telling us who's side they're on.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The knock-on effect of this now would discourage undocumented migrants even just trying to engage with the legal system, being a witness or even reporting on crimes. For people on the fringes of a society it could lead to even worse exploitation and marginalization

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

Working as intended

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

First, this is straight up Nazi secret police stuff. Second how did the court know these guys weren't confederates of the folks in court intending a jail break. Where the FUCK were the bailiffs in this unlawful seizure?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Probably people should just start doing just that since apparently it's that easy, your friend accused of random offences? No problem just walk in and grab them.

[–] [email protected] 119 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Wow you really can’t tell the difference between officials and gangs of criminals these days.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Indeed, kidnapping is one of the things that drug cartels are known for. Now we have people claiming to be federal officers doing kidnapping? There needs to be a LOT of pushback over this, it's crazy and ridiculous.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 days ago

By design. It reminds me of another article posted on Lemmy recently, that "tough on crime" jurisdictions are making it less safe to live in those jurisdictions.

“Is it worth the trouble to go to court?” Reppucci asked. “I think it’s going to make it much harder, inherently harder, and more likely that people will disregard lawfully issued subpoenas, both by the prosecution and by defense attorneys and by civil attorneys and, even perhaps, dare we say, in divorce cases or custody case hearings that people are going to evaluate whether or not it makes sense to follow lawful state orders.”

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So three men just kidnapped a dude.

They need to be banned from doing this in plain clothes. At minumim. At best ICE needs to be abolished.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They need to be arrested as attempted kidnappers or shot if they don't surrender. Then they need to be prosecuted as kidnappers.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

It's horrifying to see so many incidents of kidnapping in courtrooms. I can't imagine a more blatant and clear example of subversion of the legal judicial process.

There would be no reason to remove them from a courtroom if you believed the court would come to the same conclusions they have. So the logical explanation is that they know that what they're doing is illegal and that these people they're snatching haven't actually done anything wrong. It's shameful that we've allowed this to happen in our country and frankly, it's embarrassing that this is what the once great USA has stooped to.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Whatever happened to the Fourth Amendment? If they're not even bothering to uphold the Constitution in a courthouse you guys are well and truly fucked.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago

I’m pretty sure Homeland Security was created with the sole intent of subverting the constitution from it's inception.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

https://www.aclu.org/documents/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

The magical 100 mile "Nah constitution don't really work here" zone that also, crazily enough, includes 2/3 of the population.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 6 days ago (1 children)

These gestapo need to be doxxed

[–] [email protected] 63 points 6 days ago (7 children)

You misspelled shot.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Questioning the security of the courthouse if you can just do that

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

I live here, and I actually called the Sheriff and yelled at her about this. She said these ICE Nazis showed her deputies ID and warrants, and that she couldn't stop them from entering. She has met with the judges who actually have the power to determine who is allowed entry, asking if they want her office to stop feds in the future. They were still considering it as of yesterday.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Is this exactly the kind of stuff 2A was supposed to have solved? What were the half a billion guns for?

[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 days ago (2 children)

A good portion of the 2A fetishists in this country love jackbooted authoritarianism as long as it's aimed at the correct demographic.

They love the fantasy of being a plucky revolutionary, but in reality they are the ones helping the boot come down.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

but we can change that any time. change the demographic by arming yourself and not being one of those people.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Guns are for the tyranny of green energy and gay marriage. This is what they voted for.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

Babe wake up, new gender just dropped

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Definitely not the sort of thing a fascist would do. Lefty liberals are Larping

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

I'm still baffled as to how they continue to do this unimpeded.

These people are in court trying to enter the country "the right way" by going through the legal system and are getting ambushed by ICE and Homeland Security during their hearings. Unless the desired outcome is to depress the population of "good ones" trying to stay in the country via legal means by scaring them with the threat of sudden deportation, I don't see what this accomplishes. This war on immigration is equally as stupid and futile as the war on drugs.

Xenophobia has completely fried the brains of most Americans. This shit isn't normal and never should be.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

They will be coming to your courthouses too. We will have to be organizing citizen barricades to keep them from disappearing our neighbors.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's probably the gesta- I mean ICE

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