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For several years I've been using DuckDuckGo instead of Google Search, and I've been overall quite happy with the results. Only rarely had I to resort to Google search (!g).

During the last month or two, however, I've found myself using the !g switch and Google search more than half of the time. DuckDuckGo shows no or few results where Google shows more (and useful) ones.

Still I don't want to give in. So:

  • Have you also experienced this worsening of DuckDuckGo?
  • Which other more privacy-respecting alternatives do you recommend?
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[–] [email protected] 59 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

I haven't noticed any issues with the quality of DDG results, but if you feel the results are lackluster, you could try a metasearch engine like SearXNG. You can self-host it or use one of the many public instances maintained by the community. The main advantage, apart from the privacy focused aspect of the project, is that you can pull results from multiple search engines with a single query. It's highly customizable too. You can configure it exactly how you want.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I like SearXNG, you get all of all worlds

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I've only used searx[ng] for several years. searx.space is pretty recommended to look for searxng working instances, as well as the ones that you might prefer depending of the country of the instance and so for. Public searx but no searxng working instances are really uncommon now a days.

Every now and then your preferred instance becomes useless (whether google finds its way to block it, or to apply an aggressive rate limiter, or the instance gets unmaintained), so one needs to look for another one.

DDG doesn't give bad results, but when I realized the majority of its results come from bing, meaning it's mostly a metasearch as well with a few entries of its own (that might have varied from that time), I then started to only use searx, and then when searx working instances were really hard to find I moved to searxng, and I'm happy with those instances. Again, at times I need to move to a different instance, though I've been using the last one I chose for more than a year now...

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Trying it these past days and I'm impressed!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Public instances need to fight against the giants, but running your own local version is easy if you learn to use Docker. It just takes around a hundred of megabytes of memory. I have been super happy with it.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

I use Qwant instead and I'm pretty happy wiith that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

At some point, DuckDuckGo stop handling boolean logic properly in search terms. I've been using it for more than a decade, and the quality has definitely gotten worse over the last few years

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago (6 children)

I like qwant.com from France. They are using the Bing index but started to collaborate with Ecosia to build their own.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

I'll try qwant!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

+1, Qwant is awesome

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There's only a handful of companies out there actually spidering. A lot of third party offerings are just re-scraping the existing spiders. I wouldn't be surprised if deficiencies in quality were cat and mouse games between google/bing/et all and DuckDuckGo.

I've been self-hosting SearXNG. It's fantastic for everything except local hits, business hours, stuff where Google maps data is being referenced.

I think the problem with free search is that somebody needs to pay for it. There's more people block both ads and anonymize themselves, the more free options will eventually wither.

And while I'm perfectly willing to pay for ad-free anonymity, capitalism dictates that all services need to have exponential growth or fail, and eventually all that data can just be sold or otherwise make it into the wrong hands.

I'm kind of hoping that at some point you can purchase distilled search content in a locally hostable AI model. It could post ad free and complete anonymous access, and you just need to pay for updates to the search model.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I've been using SearXNG during the last day and I'm quite impressed too so far!

True what you say about the problems behind net search. It's actually a very complex problem. In my opinion part of the problem is that there's a lot (most?) of rubbish out there. It's like a library with useful books of different genres all mixed together, and mixed with an even larger amount of nonsense books. Maybe a solution would be something completely different from indexing – but I have no idea what.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Right on. I'm running searxng and whoogle. Whoogle is a low resource option, and it only sources Google. I like searxng for the deep results, all kinds of weird stuff pops.

I was recently recommended to check out YaCy. Haven't done it yet.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You can find a good Searxng instance or run your own (it can also run on a RPi)

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I have been very happy with Kagi. I think that it is worth the money. I did quit it though, in line with the US boycott, so now i am on Quant.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

For you, I would recommend the following:

I use SearXNG, which I self-host.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Didn't know about several of these, cheers!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I switched to Kagi and am beyond satisfied. If your goal is to strictly degoogle, it fits the bill, but it still does if you are looking for better privacy, as it now comes with an implementation of Privacy Pass. The algorithm is leagues above Google's and DDGs, IMO, and the "lens" feature allows you to seamlessly filter the results to specialized sources, including the Fediverse. "Small web" is a fun feature for when you're bored running unit tests at work, too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I tried Kagi for a while, but it was giving me less useful results than DDG, so I simply left it. I think it depends a lot on what kinds of searches one does, and Kagi is more useful for other users.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

AFAIK the algorithm for Kagi is really alien compared to Google and Bing/DDG, so the results do look a little weird at first, the main difference being just the sheer reduction in quantity of results.
But I guess if you didn't like it, you didn't. Maybe it is worse and I'm biased because I already paid

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Forgot to mention that it unfortunately is a US-owned company, so it would be off the table for the full-on US boycott crowd, especially because it's a paid service.
Though they seem to be a genuinely good company that consistenly provides good customer support and improves the product in tangible ways. Privacy Pass was implemented because of customer feedback, for example, and so were crypto payments, and both were publicly discussed on the forums with good transparency. They also actively promote the decentralization of the internet: with that Small Web feature I mentioned, with Fediverse and Usenet Archives search being implemented by default, by providing an interface to use any LLM model through their assistant... So I wouldn't want to boycott them, and I don't

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)
  • Have you also experienced this worsening of DuckDuckGo?

Yes.

  • Which other more privacy-respecting alternatives do you recommend?

I'm in the same boat. I'll be trying out these answers.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

I've definitely felt the enshittification of DDG. A couple of years ago they would start dropping hits related to my location into my search results, even when I had region off and private search by default. That gave me the impression that my IP address was being used and possibly passed on to Bing, but I don't have the chops to confirm it 🤷

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Maybe I search for weird things, but my major gripe with DDG is that its autocorrect is way too aggressive. But SearXNG public instances work for me 99% of the time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I have thought the same thing after about three years or so of using DDG, I've been using Qwant as of late and seem to get much better results

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Same, I was a DDG user for years and switched to Qwant a month ago. Qwant results are a step up from DDG, and Qwant takes the same approach to privacy as DDG but it's based in France so it wins in that regard as well. I'm in the US and Qwant still does a great job of providing localized results.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Been happy with Kagi for the past few months. So far no thoughts of switching back to either Google or DDG.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Kagi is pretty amazing. You have to pay but the peace of mind is worth it for the respect of your privacy. FastGPT is a phenomenally helpful tool that I use multiple times per day. Kagi.com

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I haven't used DDG in years. I've been using Start Page and its fit all my needs (its basically old google before enshitification).

I've played with searxng which seems promising but I haven't given it enough time. But it seems like I might eventually move there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Tried Startpage a while ago, but was put off but some alleged iffy dealings of the company behind it. Trying SearXNG now and I'm impressed!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

What iffy dealings are you referring to? Because they were acquired? They've been established, and restablished after being acquired, as being completely privacy focused.

My only criticism is that they don't always play nice with VPNs.

But yes, SearXNG is a great way to go too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Searx is good enough if you set up plenty of engines - I do look up quite a lot of stuff and not once in the past 3 months did I go "yeah I need to use google for this".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'm trying SearX today, after so many recommended it. It looks promising! Thank you for pointing out the multiple-engines setup.

One possible drawback: it seems I can't do "verbatim" searches; or at least, quotation marks don't seem to lead to verbatim searches – I'll try with "+". DDG was adamant with quotation marks, that's something I liked a lot about it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I use StartPage because it’s the closest to Google 10+ years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I run my own instance of SearX. Very reliable.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You can try hosting a searxng instance. If not try some public searxng instances. https://searx.space/

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Been using Qwant for about a month. Feels like of like old Google did, very happy.

Only place it’s lacking is image search, but Google has been pretty shite for the past year too.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Duckduckgo gives you Bing results. If you like Microsoft they are up the alley. If not tough luck.

DDG is often but not always a lot worse than Google in my experience.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

I mostly use startpage, but occasionally ecosia and mojeek.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

I’ve tried other search engines any times. Despite the worsening google search somehow is still much better than alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

you can search through brave or google using mullvads leta:

https://leta.mullvad.net/

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

i have noticed that i get fewer results from ddg lately, and local (server-side geoip driven) and totally irrelevant shit frequently thrown in starting below the fold on page 1.

but ddg has been my go-to for years. and very rarely do i need to look elsewhere for a different 'perspective'--picking from the others configured in my browser: ecosia, startpage, qwant, mojeek. i have a couple instances of self-hostable meta engines in there too, but those are too unreliable to count on for regular use.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

I think in the last few years DDG has been improving and google has been worsening for general searching. Because I have nearly stopped using !g before I used it constantly.

I still use google at work as the results there match a bit better.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (12 children)

I haven't really experienced a worsening of DDG, and this is a bit off topic, perhaps, but—

I have yet to find a better alternative to Google's video search. Google Books also remains valuable in many ways, since it will give you different "search inside the book"-type search results than the Internet Archive will (and they also have some books that IA does not).

What's annoying to me is that StartPage, which is supposed to have Google search results, and by and large does, does not give the same video results as Google (go ahead, try it). It would also be nice to have an Invidious or FreeTube type front end for Google Books, and I believe there used to be something like that, but not any longer.

Some Google products still have definite value, it's just important that they derive no benefit from us using them.

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