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A German experiment has found that people are likely to continue working full-time even if they receive no-strings-attached universal basic income payments.

Archived version: https://archive.is/20250412140637/https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/11/health/germany-universal-basic-income-study-intl-scli-wellness/index.html


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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Didn't Finland also try it, and found the same thing?

I really think UBI has no downsides.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe a province in Canada was also trying it with promising results until a right-wing politician got elected and scrapped the trial program.

[–] deeferg@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Yup, Ontario had it for a small community and the people on it were doing great. They're still just running these programs in other areas to try and find the one with negative results so every country can point to that as their reason to not do it longterm.

That's why you keep seeing 100 of these "trials".

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The downside is less money going towards the rich

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Still not hearing any downsides

[–] gurnu@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yes, they did. Sadly the body that's studied the effects said the sample size (a couple thousand unemployed people) was too small... Gee, I wonder who would've designed the experiment in such way?

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not surprising to me - a Canadian study 10 or 15 years ago produced the same results - the only people who stopped working were moms who quit to take care of children, and students who returned to school (having quit school to work because their families needed money). The conventional "wisdom" that says getting free money will turn people into bums is a traditional conservative misconception that goes with thinking people are inherently bad.

[–] SpicyColdFartChamber@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't even get this notion.

"Everyone will become a lazy bum!". Humans are biologically coded with the want to do SOMETHING. If you took current day scenarios of people wanting to not work at all, that's only because WE HAVE TO WORK to live.

People want to remove stress, not be "lazy".

And lazy is such a defective term.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

A lot of "conventional wisdom" turns out to be just catchy little sayings that vindicate people's personal attitudes.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How totally surprising. The results have been the same every time this has been tried, so who could have possibly have foreseen that?

[–] tquid@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you! Honestly UBI studies only make me feel angry and hopeless anymore, since it’s so clear policy will never change.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Of course not. If people aren't desperate any more, they're far harder to control.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I had UBI that covered my food and shelter, I'd ... keep working because I love it. I'd probably work about half as much at my main (software engineer) job and split the new free time between taking some uni courses and a little more relaxation. My second job is as a farmer and, aside from the paperwork and accounting I don't fully understand yet in Japanese, I enjoy the work the majority of the time.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

I would potentially try to create something that may or may not be financially successful. Maybe it won't work for me, but if a bunch of people now feel able to do that some of them will be successful.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Literally every UBI test is a massive success and then we pretend like we shouldn't ever change anything.

We are going to have to kill world leaders to end the 40hr work week.

[–] thejoker954@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm gonna be real. Theres no way in hell I would continue to work fulltime.

Especially with the amount of wasted time at work when you can't even be productive if you wanted to.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

One of the unspoken benefits of UBI is that it rebalances the power dynamic between employer and employee. When your back's not against the wall financially, you can negotiate a lot better for a reasonable setup.

People getting a decent living wage via a 3 day week should be the norm, not an exception. I've seen several studies where companies went to a 4 day week, for the same pay. Actual productivity went up, not down. It turns out a happy, rested workforce is a lot more than 20% more productive.

[–] 001Guy001@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago