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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Look, the only reason people start getting conservative, is when needs and wants start getting harder to acquire. Want to change that? then have affordable living make a come back. There's a reason why a decade ago people were more liberal, because shit was more affordable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Sounds to me what you're saying is "people start getting conservative when they don't actually understand any economics at all"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

How long have the Liberals been in power? And did they do anything about the current cost of living crisis? They've had every opportunity to fix this situation but they haven't. There's a reason why a Conservative win was predicted before trump went off his meds.

DO I think Conservatives would do better in power? Hell no, but they were at least saying "hey, we'll fix this so you can live on your current wages again."

The fact that they were American Republican Lite didn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 minutes ago* (last edited 10 minutes ago)

I mean they did a fuck of a lot more than Harper!! Do you REMEMBER what life was like under Harper??

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

There's a reason why a Conservative win was predicted before trump went off his meds.

What

How long have the Liberals been in power? And did they do anything about the current cost of living crisis?

Man you are going off

Yes, people are shit ass at understanding economics. Neither liberalism nor conservatives are great at balancing budget. But conservatives sute as shit are a whole lot worse at it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Eh became conservative when my liberal government started banning a hobby I recently found relieved stress.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I can't imagine voting for all the ills that conservatives bring over a hobby.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago

Ultimately, for me it was the stick that broke the camels back.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

The problem is that something is missing and it's being filled by angry reactionaries and right wing grifters who prey on the particular insecurities of young men, specifically insecurities around masculine values.

What's missing is a foundational framework for understanding the male experience as distinct yet coequal to feminist theory. A framework that seeks to promote a balanced, respectful dialogue by articulating unique structures, values, and challenges faced by men, in order to offer a lens through which male identity, struggle, and transformation can be understood on their own terms, while upholding - acknowledging - the progress and insights of feminism.

These men feel like they don't have purpose or identity. They need a framework, but unfortunately efforts to define and build such a framework are often hijacked by extremists that just hate women and minorities. Like we see now.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Do we really need to make the framework different for male and female humans? Why not use one for humans and teach tolerance to difference in general? I don't think many of the issues we face will be solved if we keep two different frameworks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Chinese culture has the concept of 'eating bitterness' and it is universal. It's about being able to take the suffering, loss, pain, humiliation, and all the other bitter stuff that life can throw at you, enduring it, and building character, strength, and resilience out of it. It's a virtue. It's a universally admired trait.

North American culture is not great at eating bitterness. The culture here is more about eating sweet, or living the good life, and when people have to eat bitterness, especially those expecting to eat sweet, it is viewed as shameful and castigating rather than normal, and it easily turns a person towards grievance and a sense of injustice that makes them bitter inside instead of resilient and optimistic.

This is why I think men in North America, especially white men, have turned to characters like Jordan Peterson, or in worse cases, Andrew Tate. Jordan Peterson at least tries to help these men develop a sense of responsibility and strength that can be constructive and meaning- making. Guys like Tate, on the other hand, exploit their grievance to make them socially nihilistic. One is obviously much better than the other, but neither is a substitute for having a common social value place upon eating bitterness.

The "manosphere" gives aggrieved, frustrated, disappointed, and angry men stories to help them process their emotions, but they still rely upon self-centered and egotistical tropes like the hero's journey or misogynistic worldviews. These don't address the deeper and more universal reality that none of us (male or female) are heroes from Marvel movies, that deep, painfully-bitter experience is part of the common human journey, and that eating that bitterness with humility and without expectation of any award for being special, is a virtue that helps you develop character.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The framework that is built from the oppression of women, and the challenges that arise from that, does not represent the lived experiences, challenges, or values of men. All too often it diminishes these. To move forward in a spirit of mutual understanding requires a recognition of what matters to men; i.e., what provides purpose and value.

I feel that you may be misunderstanding me. This is exactly about tolerance and acceptance - including acceptance that men and women have different lived experiences that are founded on different fundamental principles of what is important and what provides purpose. Is it really so difficult to accept that men might find purpose or value that differs from women? I don't believe there is harm in acknowledging that, and respecting a healthy understanding of that difference.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

I don't deny that the current experience of life is different because of gender/sex. So I am rather talking about the target, a society without sexism.

Is it really so difficult to accept that men might find purpose or value that differs from women?

Yes, I am indeed questioning this point. Is this difference in the essence of the gender or is it a social construct?

For me, it's actually not hard to imagine that men and women could share the same distribution of purposes and values, if the environment in which they grew up supported it. The diversity would be based on the uniqueness of individuals with little to no influence from the gender.

I find it very oppressing to have the specific framework you mention associated to you because of your gender. What about transgender people or people who don't associate with a traditional gender?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

AFAB here and I agree 100% - the issue is that by elevating that which used to acceptably be oppressed, the primary oppressor feels that they have lost station and position as they see society as a ladder - if you aren't at the top someone else is above you. That kind of thinking makes this even more difficult to solve.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

AFAB = a female at birth AMAB = a male at birth

The More You Know

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Agreed, masculists, especially the young ones, are mostly socially anxious and socially scared people who find shelter from their anxiety by oppressing another group. The solution is probably to work on this social anxiety from childhood.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shitty parenting and the education system being eroded year by year. This is the generation that the billionaires wanted. Poor, stupid and complicit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, make them idiots and then tell them they're the most important idiots and shouldn't feel less than. It's a Republican politician's wet dream to have a population of slobbering assholes who feel like they deserve more than everyone else and are being denied it

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I must live in a bubble. Both of my (university age) kids and their friends are vocally offended by Trump and Musk, and they think Polierve is a bad joke.

My oldest games online with a few Americans and they are also very anyi-trump. ("They wouldn't be my friends if they supported him")

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

You are most likely living in a bubble. Cherish it, but don't forget, that there are a lot of people that feel different from you.

I do have the same experience. My social circle is very much open, tolerant and absolutely hates what the GOP in America and right leaning/right wing parties in Europe are doing and proposing. I know almost no young people that support strong conservative or right leaning policy and talking points. I am however also in contact with a different group of people (through my countrys military/military reserve), that very much leans into those right talking points and favours more conservative policy.

If you can, engage with them and try to understand them and help them understand your point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

This gives me hope for the future

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Social democracy let everyone down (by being neither social or democratic, thanks to politicians thinking about their rich friends) and now people are surprised that a generation started to believe that an authoritarian leader would be better.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

How did social democracy let everyone down?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Are you kidding? All crown corporations are getting privatized, they're intentionally destroying social services in order to justify giving more space to the private sector, they only built housing long enough to comfortably house boomers and X and then they gave up...

No it's not social democracy at this point, it was still sold as being it way longer than it actually was though and that's how people became sour to it. If you convince people that social democracy is them not being able to afford to live, they'll get hooked to the first alternative they find.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The reason I asked is because I feel that you are blaming social democracy and I think you are painting with too broad a brush. Capital should serve the state, the people, not the other way around. Social democracy is in part about strong regulations on capital. We need to stand by that and support it. Throwing it away cedes power to capital.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I'm not blaming social democracy, I'm describing how people feel because they've kept being told that's what they were getting even when they weren't until they started to believe that social democracy was the problem to begin with.

We won't get social democracy with the choices offered to us either so what then?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago

gestures broadly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

Because right wing voters continued to exist to let it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Talked to a few of my friend's kids. They all think Musk is a genius.

I see Andrew Tate victims in all of them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

Ugh, what a terrible future we have.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The manosphere is the symptom.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This. I would argue housing affordability is one of the main root causes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

And liberals won't take action to slow immigration which is only a layer of the problem, but it cost them votes for sure.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All of vulture capitalism is the cause.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Gen x parents have dropped the ball so hard it’s not even funny.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So much alcoholism. And 2008 happening in their prime earning years caused several gen X’ers I know to never recover financially.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

We bought a house in 2007, I've been stuck there ever since. It's a freaking money pit, and not nearly big enough. Can't afford to move though. Paying it off is my only hope for any kind of retirement.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

I feel seen here LOL

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago

Well the kids are leaning right because of propaganda and mind control. Plain and simple. Instagram and Twitter actively push ragebait content designed to radicalise impressionable kids.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

These kids have got awful fucking parents

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where are their fucking parents? My generation bitches endlessly about boomers, then...raises another generation of them?

Nice.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Both working and burnt out by the rise in everything costing so much but wages being stagnant?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Both JP and PP couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag and they’re waxing poetic about masculinity?

PP’s so masculine that when one of the racist supporters said he’d rape his wife, this powerhouse just pulled down his pants, bent over and took it.

Anything these twats says is absolute nonsense.

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