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queer liberation (mander.xyz)

submitted 4 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

To add to this, Capitalism directly benefits from "traditional family values" where everyone is straight, reproducing, no abortions, women stay at home raising children via their unpaid labor, etc. As grim as it sounds, children to the capitalist system are just future workers ready to be exploited, so any movement that even remotely threaten to make a dent in that (abortion rights, queer rights, women's liberation) get demonized and are vehemently fought against.

There's a reason why the current pro-natalist movement is getting quite strong nowadays, and if you look at who supports and promotes them, 99% of the time its business owners.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

This space gives me the life that the ever-present tankie-versus-liberal fight elsewhere on lemmy is constantly trying to steal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Also the other way around. If you do anti capitalism the right way(there infinite right ways, but imo all of them contain queer liberation) you have to think about queer liberation because so many people oppressed by capitalism are queer.

[+] [email protected] -16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Wow, I think this is a bad take. Capitalism has a lot of shitty things going on, but it was one of the ones that saved the LGBTQ+ communities because they realized they could make money off them. Pick your power poison, religion or capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is such an incredibly awful take that completely disregards the very obvious problem that's currently happening; what happens when it isn't economical for those companies to support us?

Everything the LGBTQ+ community has gained in the past decades was from our own activism, don't pretend the capitalists were doing us a fucking favor.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Activism, and as always, the ever-present threat of retaliatory violence that is all the state seems to respect!

We need to get back to our roots.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Your own activism and allies. I don't see many LGBTQ+ in other extremely religious countries. I was thinking of Europe mostly and the bad times that are currently happening in the US are in sharp contrast to other countries where it's still accepted. Countries like Russia and China are notoriously shitty towards LGBTQ+ people. So are extremely religious countries.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

ok... but they are capitalist countries using queer people as a scape goat just as the post says??

sure this isnt inherent to capitalism, it is inherent to power structures as a whole

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

What I'm saying is, without capitalism to prop up the democracy, you wouldn't have anywhere to be an activist in. My immigrant boss used to have a plaque on his door that talked about the US being a horrible government, but still one of the best out there. He was from Russia and survived the wall coming down. I no longer think that's true at the current time, but we're in the top 30 or so. We've also had some really good moments that lasted a year or two.

There are no permanent solutions, only snapshots in time on an up and down graph. It's a gray area.

Where is this non-capitalist utopia you think we should emulate. It can be from anytime in history, when and where is it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Where is this non-capitalist utopia you think we should emulate. It can be from anytime in history, when and where is it?

If that's a real question and not a gotcha, I strongly recommend the book The Dawn of Everything. The world is and can be more complicated than the choice between various flavors of authoritarianism.

Personally, I don't believe in utopia, but I do believe we all deserve an opportunity to exist free of the coercive power of others. The fact that any real community striving for this will be in some way imperfect does not diminish the worthiness of efforts toward that end. We don't need to emulate some extant utopia, but we might, as individuals and groups, seize the freedom to choose what is best for ourselves in as many ways as we see fit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

LGBTQ+ communities (and their companions) saved themselves

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Damn right they did. No one was going to help. The early AIDS crisis demanded a response, silence is death.

Now we have to do it again. As a good old fashioned cis male homosexual who could ‘blend in’ if I chose, I will be the first to bitchslap any member of the gay community that thinks we need to throw trans people under the bus.

We are in this together or we are all in grave danger again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think I got the joke.

Edit: nvm -_-