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In 50 years, history will speak about ICE the way we speak about the SS now.

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[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 204 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Many of us have been comparing ICE and the SS since it's inception alongside the Department of Homeland Security post-9/11.

9/11 ended up being way more successful than Osama Bin Laden could ever have imagined. It just took an extra 25 years for the Republican party to destroy the country from within like he wanted.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 91 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Department of Homeland Security

This is something that's always chilled me since they created it. To me, "Homeland" always had that echo of Nazi Germany's "Fatherland".

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Fatherland is still used in many countries/languages, hell even polish uses "Ojczyzna".

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There’s a German furniture store in operation today called Lebensraum, which absolutely gutted me when I first saw it, but it also just means habitat/living space.

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What's the other interpretation? I just see living-room

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

It is to nazism, what manifest destiny is to American imperialism

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's a Nazi rhetoric term for displacing Slavs and taking their living space

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago

I see, that makes it a lot worse

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Department of Homeland Security" is almost as oxymoronic as "Military Intelligence" or "Department of Justice"

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How is military intelligence oxymoronic?

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Have you ever met anyone in active duty? Every single marine is fueled by a six pack of Monster, punching each other in the dicks for fun, and eating crayons for lunch.

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have actually, even talked in depth with a few at a country fayre after the recruiter had pissed off along with on several RAF & Army bases the actual soldiers are generally quite intelligent and those working in SIGINT are often very intellignet.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yet they're still tricked into bombing brown kids over a WMD lie or for the religious act of patriotism. Doesn't sound very intelligent to me, it's like saying Oxford/Harvard educated math nerds making millions trading in high finance are smart because they think mathematical models of reality are more accurate than reality itself.

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Muh Palestine" I don't really care, what was done in GWOT was wrong but given the world is now heating up I fully support increasing defence spending to protect the nation from potentially hostile powers which could at this stage potentially include the USA.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for proving my point with such an "intelligent" take.

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 11 months ago

You didnt really have a point, just a very mediocre attempt at trying to shit on the military.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago
[–] aramis87@fedia.io 112 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They're deporting non-citizens without due process, which means that anyone can be deported. All they have to do is claim they thought someone wasn't a citizen, at which point there's no due process for you to prove that you are.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What surprises me most about this encounter is that ICE actually backed off when they saw the guy's proof of citizenship. It means they actually feared punishment for getting it wrong.

And I will remind everyone who has any melanin at all to get a Passport Card. That's what this guy likely had, and it was the best $30 he ever spent. Get yours now, before they get DOGEd.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For now. I fully expect them to start saying "this is fake" and confiscating it and arresting you, regardless of its actual validity.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 11 months ago

And this is the issue with the people saying “only citizens deserve due process”… If you don’t get due process, how are you supposed to prove you’re a citizen?

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago

Things may already be getting iffy at the state department. My wife and I both put in passport renewal requests on the same day in February. She got her new passport in the mail about 2 weeks later. Mine took another 6 weeks.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Innocent until proven brown

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think the opposite is more accurate.

[–] dumbluck@midwest.social 21 points 11 months ago (3 children)

So, "Guilty until proven white"?

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately.

[–] scintilla@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

Thank you I was trying to figure out how guilty until proven brown worked in this situation.

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Brown until proven white

[–] notsure@fedia.io 13 points 11 months ago

i hate myself for upvoting you

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Brown until proven white and rich.

[–] CptCosmicMoron@lemmy.ca 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Obviously this is incredibly racist. They are just going after non whites, predominantly Latino and Asian, because they are not white. It's 100% racism.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 27 points 11 months ago

"Mistakenly"

[–] notsure@fedia.io 8 points 11 months ago

...he's a traitor...take him in...when the records disappear...just a small sin....ffs

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

At this point, we should be saying "alleged US citizen" and drop the "mistakenly."

No American should consider themselves as citizens anymore. With the ignoring of court orders and the disregard for due process, nobody is safe.