Cross-posted from "Evergreen" by @InevitableSwing@hexbear.net in !slop@hexbear.net
I assure you if Bernie was nominated to run for President tomorrow, a flood of, "What has he done to earn my vote?" posts would start.
this post was submitted on 04 Apr 2025
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Bernie Sanders is the single most popular politician in the USA due to bipartisan support, even if he hasn't been the most popular primary candidate to democrats.
I bet the voices of dissent would be Tankie and Anarchist accelerationists who see him making things better as dodging a violent revolution.
They will ask you to waste your vote on 3rd party because genocide and will be surprised the even more genocidal guy wins again because of it.
Technically Bernie is the third party, but yeah its going to take cooperation from the DNC to not spoil each others candidates if we run a lot of third party.
Anarchism = \ = barberianism
Anarchism = \ = violence
Pacifist-anarchism is what i personally subscribe to.
Absolute do vote, and i am a huge fan of Sanders but also know that voting will not improve things, it will just slow down things getting worse. More time to fix things.
Slow collapse will still continue till we fully transition to a permanent sustainable society. Transition will or will not happen regardless of any single nations temporary elected officials.
The game we are playing is much bigger then a few suits performing geopolitics. Emergent complexity hits you like the great filter
Accelerationist = Supporters of the downfall of society, people who act to quicken a societal collapse
You see that word in there now? Does that clear things up?
It makes me understand your view better but not sure if the term is accurate in this context or such people are common in reality.
I know there are trump voters who argued he will destroy the current system which they hate but such is not specific to anarchism.
Humanity going extinct doesn’t really match the ideals of individual freedom most schools of anarchy are centered around. Unless you consider some form of extreme eco-anarchism where the freedom for nature tops all others.
For somebody who doesn't associate with anarchist accelerationists you're leaving a lot of defensive replies.
Defense of what?
I believe the only reason people don’t realize they are already anarchists (everything is and always has been and will be) is because they don’t know what anarchism is. Instead people associate it with violence and rebellion. Triggers me to elaborate on it because i truly believe awareness of its reality is the answer to sustainable peace.
You may have a tiny point in my bias though. I believe stuff must get worse to get people to build something better and some signals of collapse feel like progress. But to turn that into speed running a total destruction of mature moral intellect and refusing to improve things now is plain ridiculous and somewhat of a strawman.
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Just for awareness, 30/50 states have partisan primaries. That means you must be registered as a Democrat to vote in the Democratic primary. It was a contributing factor in Bernie’s 2016 primary loss, and will be the only effective way to replace the corporate centrists with progressives in the 2026 midterms.
Check your state’s primary type here: https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_election_types_by_state
bernie is a centrist.
the corporate centrists you speak of are right wingers.
the overton window is really fucked in your country if you call people like biden "centrists".
Thanks for telling us that our politics are fucked. We had no idea.
yeah, it sounded like so.
For how much emphasis liberals put in elections, they're terrible at winning them
On purpose. They want to think people elections are important and all people should be doing, but manipulate the system in a way that nobody inspiring or capable is ever able to be the candidate. Therefore people get disillusioned and burnt out out of constant useless votes and just do nothing.
Many Americans who publicly discuss politics online will not discuss exit poll results.
If the USA states were individual countries most would flunk the United Nations guidelines. Yet, other than discussing some of the more minor violations, most will ignore the topic.
It’s a giant echo chamber shared across the political spectrum in the states, and it definitely drives out many voices who would otherwise talk about it. There is no champion to rally around for electoral reform. So the politicians in states that have proper ballot counting will not criticize the states that flunk the guidelines.
What I am taking about took decades to get to this way, and will take decades to undo perhaps
You can’t say voting is useless if people aren’t voting. 90M eligible voters abstained in 2024. Trump won with 77M votes. That means there were 13M more people that did absolutely nothing than the winning majority.
We also only see ~20% turnout in congressional Democratic primaries, yet people call for term limits. Rather than asking the system to passively replace Congress, maybe we should actually participate in the elections that allow active replacement of our electors.
Condoning or defending apathy is no different than voting for your opponent.
Parliamentary voting is completely useless. Less than useless even. More than hundred years of republican democracies, and all it's led to is fascism, wars and climate apocalypse. All beneficial progress has come from direct action from the working class.
I'm not defending apathy. I'm suggesting anarchism. Check which comm you are in.
and all that to end up with Trump!
they don't "just do nothing", they vote for an ignorant greedy asshole who will break the status quo.
I despise Trump but i don't remember, in i don't know how many countries, another politician who actually did what they promised. (except that "groceries" promise 😅
More money in running, losing and being the controlled opposition, it gives them the excuse for why nothing good happens.
"we are ready to vote!!" They screamed, 2 years before midterms, after JUST failing to show up for special elections in Florida.
And when the time comes to stand up, stand together, and vote the orange turd out of office, you will still have 50mil eligible voters who never even registered.
America doesn't care about democracy, as seen by all the times they've used democracy as an excuse to rob another country of resources and left them with no functioning democracy.
Excuse me, but when we do fascism in other countries, that's called Democracy. Now give us your resources.
Yea, not to mention 10 mil who didn't show up 5 months ago.
Wake me up when they're ready to learn how to make a molotov cocktail
"But we need to vote on if we wanna first, and then meet republicans half-way and only make a mocktail that is means tested."
They're signing the pact with Ribbentrop
Day late and a pound light. Dems are done, it's time for progressives .
Shame we weren't ready back in November.
About five months too late, you corporate fucking jizztraps.
I'm pretty sure he's joking about liberals, and isn't one himself
They were complacent, though. Millions of blue forgot to vote for Harris in 2024, we also lost both chambers of congress.
They didn’t forget. They protested at the polls. It was impossible to exist in the US without being reminded of the election.
No. They forgot. Or straight up didn't care. A "protest at the polls" would mean voting 3rd party at the bare minimum. Not showing up mean they don't care. To be fair there was some voter suppression going on, but that doesn't account for anywhere near the 80 mil who literally don't ever vote.
I disagree. This was the most widely advertised election in US history.
Republicans need to fall in line. Democrats need to fall in love. The left doesn’t mobilize unless deeply motivated.
Yeah and that's because a huge chunk of the base doesn't care. Republicans fall in line because they care, even if they only care because of moronic fearmongering. Dems won't stoop to that low, so the only way to make people care is to offer a candidate that energizes people to do the bare minimum.