Agreed. But I'm not going to publicly endorse a dead-end DNC loser before it's necessary. The DNC needs to act like people aren't required to vote for them and field a candidate that can actually win votes.

On the other hand, this is a fine time for this conversation. We do have roughly a year to find a candidate that's not fucking Newsom just because he could meme for a minute.

I don't mind a few memes in our politics, but I do want there to be some kind of substance under the memes. And not the substance Magats have found under theirs, 💩.

I forgot a ton of things. 

AI, your data privacy, your parents retirement, NATO, electric cars, green energy, antitrust, the chip shortage. 

There’s a huge list. 

Yup

It's fucking mind numbing

https://sourcenews.scot/analysis-5-of-the-worst-crimes-of-winston-churchill/

Churchill is probably viewed as worse than Hitler in parts of the world for good reason.

I think a lot of the argument against voting for lesser evil is the acceleration aspect. It's advocating for a quicker fall of the American empire

Try telling that to someone who supported Bernie, but before you do that you might want to go back and refresh youself on what happened. The DNC is a diseased carcass, change isn't possible.

I will never understand the mentality of choosing that hill to die on...

I think it only makes sense if they're lying about their beliefs and wanted trump to win.

But you can bet when they lose they'll blame everyone else in the room but themselves. I don't think the neo-liberals of the party realize how much bad blood they've been generating.

I think the main issue is that some people don't have any sense of prioritization.

They're the people who complain when they're in the ER for a cold and a person with a gunshot wound gets to go ahead of them.

Gaza would have been worse, because Netanyahu would have kept up the bombing.

However, Kamala would never have defunded USAID, so those million and a half people who are dying right now from starvation and disease would be alive.

So, honestly, not voting for Kamala was a bad idea.

But it's still because of the DNC corporate donors that Trump is in office right now, because they refuse to allow the people a progressive alternative.

Blame is pointless. I am talking about what needs to change. Shouting at reluctant third party voters will do nothing but raise your blood pressure.

Campaigning for the downfall of Chuck Schumer, there's a worthy cause.

Silver lining: Trump just killed that role like a newborn baby in lake Michigan.

I think the argument is that voting for status quo candidates aren't actually getting us those things, either. And any small incremental gains are quickly reverted the next time republicans are in power.

And you can only believe that if you ignore every bit of progress that has stuck around in the last thirty years.

Progress isn’t a straight line up. Like anything else it dips and wobbles. But it consistently moves upward.

Yeah there are always going to be things to make progress on. But to pretend that we are not in a better place on some of those issues now than we were thirty years ago is bafflingly silly.

As an example: In 1996, support for same-sex marriage was so low that congress passed and Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, allowing states to ignore same-sex marriage licenses from other states in direct violation of the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution, and this was widely supported by the American people. In 2023, over 70% of Americans supported gay marriage while only 22% opposed. That number has dipped since, but not by much. In 2025, it was 68% support (88% of Democrats, 76% of Independents, and 41% of Republicans) while 29% opposed it.

That is an issue on which the American people have made significant progress. That progress hasn’t evaporated with alternating administrations. It ebbs and flows like literally everything, but over time it has improved.

Most are like this. Not all! Certainly some things consistently get worse, like wealth inequality. But to act like everything simply flip-flops between parties and that the Democrats are simply a ratchet that maintains the status quo and doesn’t let anything change just to let the next Republican make it worse is flat-out wrong.

Are Democrats largely spineless corporate shills? Yeah. But are they just as bad as Republicans? Fuck no. Go vote in primaries. Support candidates who will actually push for change. Giving up is pathetic.

And I do agree with that. 

I’m not American and we have the same issues here. 

But the answer has to be putting in grassroots support and fighting the power where you can. By the time Biden and then Harris had secured the DNC nomination it was way too late. 

I think right now the world at large needs big changes, and corporate power needs to be reigned in. But you have to engage with the possibilities in front of you, even though they suck. You can and should try to create new ones, but it’s a fight, and you have to treat it like one.