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Why would you post this without context? IIRC this was in response to someone complaining that Goblin Slayer was about slaying goblins, and no other monsters
This is very important, thanks
I mean... That guy does kinda have a point. Demon Slayers slay more than demons. Speed Racer does more than race (and I never once saw him doing speed). Sailor Moon isn't just the one titular character. 🤷♂️
Buffy barely slew any vampires after the second or third season.
I believe they even have a couple 4th wall breaking jokes about that, too.
Scope creep destroys not only software projects.
And you can't even sail to the moon. There's no wind in space, who do they think they are kidding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail
Yeah, yeah, I know, the joke just works better if you pretend thats not a thing 🫥
The Baron Munchausen disagrees.
Didn't know what this was, but that guy could literally sail to the moon on the power of his mustache alone. Mere physics cannot help but bend to his whims.
what a boorish genocidal anime, with such a kickass theme song
I hope you learn to enjoy fiction and stop being so miserable for your own sake
Idk doesn't sound very miserable, just sounds like you got angry because they don't like Goblin Slayer.
So, I guess... I hope you learn to enjoy reality and stop being so miserable for your own sake.
I'm not making an argument, but I'm curious whether you feel the same way about demons in Frieren.
I do.
Frieren seems so chill and passive, except when it comes to demons and then it's like "NO THEIR KIND CANNOT BE TRUSTED", and everyone's like "will you chill? it's just a kid" and she's like "THE CHILD MUST DIE"
See my stackexchange post asking for clarification on this:
https://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/68783/on-what-basis-does-frieren-sousou-no-frieren-reject-the-rights-of-demons-to-ex
Apparently the answer is "all is explained in the manga, how dare you ask this question"
Frieren actually is exploring something here. The demons actually aren't human, and the show sets her up as appearing intolerant to show that no, these actually just aren't people
The demons are just demons. They just want to eat people. They're intelligent, but entirely alien
They're the old school pure evil anime demons, but in a time where demons in anime have become relatable
It just feels like a waste kind of to kill them though. Humanity learned so much by reverse-engineering, and then later refining their magic. To kill them before understanding everything they have to offer, feels.... limiting somehow
Don't you see?? That's greed. Why do you need their magic? Only to fight them and each other better!
There's nothing to be gained by keeping them around, they are just predators of sapient people. Their magic is made to dominate and kill
Frieren has the raw strength to dominate and kill, but she doesn't value that kind of magic despite her skill in it. She wants to create fields of flowers, she seeks beauty instead of violence. Her violence isn't about genocide, it's about protecting what she values
You're getting a lot of shit, but I get you. When the demons were introduced, I had a moment of "ayo what if Frieren is the baddie the whole time and demons are misunderstood". The only thing is it quickly solidifies that the demons are just evil, even though I don't necessarily like that one-dimensional narrative of good and evil.
It probably doesn't help that I finished Attack on Titan just before so I already had elusive, internalized fascism on my mind. I think that's sort of the point with Frieren though. She's supposed to be capital G Good, which is inexplicably brutal toward evil, and that's where the dimensionality comes in.
I still can't get where AoT lies on the fascism spectrum
spoiler
On the one hand you've got these group of powerful people who were almost genocided, and then on the other you've get them genociding the rest of the world back as an ultimate survival strategy.But Eren's final form doesn't exactly have the audience rooting for him, even when his motivations are explained. I expected another season where the whole world would unite to take him down, but that did not seem to happen...
So I just can't figure AoT out. Was the whole thing a commentary on fascism itself, or was it literally a revenge/survival plot?
I heard (not sure how true it is) that the manga creator is politically far-right. That's actually hilarious to me, and it might be the reason the message seems odd. The whole anime is like an essay on how shitty fascism is for the fascists, but then it takes a left turn while lying on its side, if you will.
definitely feels like it's trying to say something without saying it
Couple of things here, demons aren’t an organic species in frieren, they’re crafted directly from magic itself to kill people. They’re 40k orcs, but slower to breed. They’re human shaped because of Darwinian mechanisms that allowed them to live longer in the shape of humans. Each any every one of them is a sociopath masking it with a malevolently high iq, with psychology of an inherently foreign base.
They’re allowed to exist freely, they choose war at every turn as their base. In fact, their king seeks coexistence and understanding, but does so by genociding humanity for a literal millennium in order to build a psychological basis for humankind’s behavior. Some demon leaders suggested that humanity would be completely wiped out long before their king might finally bridge the gap.
Attempts at coexistence continue to occur, but all turned out to be subterfuge, with the ends being genocide. There’s a vague suggestion that this is a time travel based Douglas Adams-esque god crafted world-computer created to quantize human psychology, but that is also monstrous. Anyway, read the comic if you want to understand.
Did you read the top reply? It doesn't even mention the manga and explains exactly, what I would have thought was the answer to your question. Maybe the manga goes more into detail (later?), but the main parts are there:
Do I find this trope boring? A bit.
Does it fit the show? I think so. Is it wrong to have such a species in a show? No.
It's fantasy and most races can work together. Having an irredeemably evil race as enemy just makes it easier to ignore ethical questions in fights (for me and a lot of other people).
Because if the show tells us, that they are indeed always and irredeemably evil, then we can ignore all those questions and just enjoy the fight. (Jajaja, that's what the Nazis ~~did~~ still do, I know!)
I wouldn't say they're evil. It's basically like thinking you can be friends with a tiger. They're on a completely alien ethical framework to humans. Killing humans is the natural thing to do, so of course they do it.
Wow the only thing true in this post is that you asked a question on stack exchange
I guess I was trying to be funny, but came across as deranged(?)
Apologies to anyone I offended
It's not that you came across as deranged, it's more that you seem to be of bad faith. People on stackexchange have answered to you calmly, seriously and respectfully, but your take from it was "how dare you" and "read the manga", which is pretty dishonest imo.
They also act like the show doesn't explore the dynamic at all, and that somehow it's not legitimate to say the manga has answers the show doesn't have when the manga is several arcs ahead of the anime. This person just wants to accuse people of being Nazis.
I was with you right until that last sentence. Did I miss something?
That last part was more of a joke. I hope people can look at my other answers (in that exchange and here) and see me as rational. 'Tis Christmas afterall
Definitely not, the show is pretty much a 1:1 adaptation of the manga.
That also wasn't the answer they received on stack exchange. The anime is also still being adapted, and the manga isn't even finished.
Do you feel the same way about zombies?
They do not exhibit intelligence, learning strategies, and we do not reverse engineer their methods to surpass them. So, no.
Thanks, that's illuminating.
Damn, people are real mad you don't like their elf waifu.