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Ukraine is set to field its first officially codified domestically built grenade launcher armed ground robot, after the Ministry of Defense approved the Droid NW 40 robotic combat system for service with the country’s Defense Forces, developer DevDroid said on December 23.

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[–] EnderLaw@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (5 children)
  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

  2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't think it will be programmed that way.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 19 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The writer of the laws himself made his career by writing an entire book series with stories about pointing out where the laws break down.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In this case I think they're broken down immediately because they won't be used.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)
  1. Spend months in a meeting room with everything from ethicists and philosopher to machine learning specialists and developers to figure out each nuance of the rules

  2. or program it to kill everything until the batteries run down and send it out within the hour

The answer in a war is always the second option.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Screamers. Check it out.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

He did also do some stories about 'fixing' the laws but in every case that resulted in either limiting the robots capabilities in a restricting way or requiring them to have more power over people in ways that could be harmful to humanites self autonomy in the longrun.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 29 points 5 days ago (1 children)
  1. A robot may not damage shareholder value or, through inaction, allow shareholder value to come to harm.
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

Must. Make. More. Paperclips.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 16 points 5 days ago

Asimov wasn’t any more of a legislator than Dante was a theologian

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

There are loops. Killing a few Russian invaders will prevent many Ukrainian killings.

There's at least one story I can remember about that.

[–] doo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't think it's a loophole. Surgeons hurt people in order to prevent a greater pain. ruZZia is just a cancer.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's seen as an unexpected loophole in the books. Similar to how a surgeon won't kill one healthy person to save two with their organs.

At least on I,Robot

Edit: also, on I,Robot they harmed very specific people with very calculated results. Not like going to war, even on the defensive side.

[–] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] lornosaj@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The Foundation adaptation on AppleTV. Where, famously, spoilers

Tap for spoilerDemerzel, this robot in the gif, kills lots of people by exploring the loophole that let robots commit genocide in supposed compliance with the 3 laws.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Holy shit. Random, I know but you just convinced me to check this out.

[–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you start on season 1, don’t let that dumpster fire dissuade you from the rest of the show. Once you get past that, the show is solid

[–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

the empire story line is basically what holds that season together imo

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah the plot lines outside of that are kinda garbage. And I say that as a fan of the original books.

[–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

yeah anything non empire is kinda bad until this latest season. idk if they condensed a lot of shit from the books or what, i never read them

It’s more that they sharply diverge from the core ethos of the books.

Dumping the admittedly misogynistic bent of the source material was a great move (including switching the gender of one of the core protagonists). Pretty much every other change made around the foundation-centric plots was straight up poor show running and writing. It goes from high sci-fi to “just another future-y action show”. And many of the plot changes are just.. completely nonsensical.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

They also explore this on I, Robot

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They are Isaac Asimov's rules for robots. Google it, it's a whole thing.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 4 days ago

From the first time I read this as a kid, I recognized that in order for a robot to adhere to these rules, they would have to be programmed with these rules. A bad-faith robot builder could simply not include that programming.

A bad-faith robot builder like literally every one that accepts US government contracts.