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[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Researchers sequenced his DNA recently from a bloodstained couch cushion, we've been getting glimpses into it lately.

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 8 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Also he's dead, why do dead people deserve anything, any rights? What harm happens to Hitler? He's dead. Did we ask dinosaurs to look at their DNA, for all we know they were sentient? The whole argument is stupid.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

In the case of DNA, because it's shared with relatives and descendants who might be still alive. In Hitler's case, that might not be that much of an issue, but you were talking about dead people in general.

If your parents are dead, and thus they get DNA sampled, that information gained is good enough to positively identify DNA traces of all their children.

Remember how they caught the Golden State Killer? They put a DNA sample into the genetics website GEDmatch and found a few of his distant relatives. They then used publicly available family history records to construct a family tree that included all of these matches. That allowed them to narrow down the suspects to two people. One of them could be ruled out by DNA testing a close relative, which left the last one. They then took a DNA sample from his car, which was a match and that's how they got him.

Using that kind of stuff to catch killers is likely a good use of the technology, but there's quite a few nefarious things a state could do with a DNA database of all dead people.

[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Under that argument you could grind up the dead and use them for fertilizer. I guess if you're being 100% practical it makes sense, but humans have a certain sentimentality for their loved ones, dead or otherwise, and so don't tend to like it when you use the corpses in a way contrary to the wishes of the estate.

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

I may be very stupid about it and not know the normative, but what is the safest option for me is the following. No informed consent -> no research on any samples from the patient.

Does not matter how important your research is. I myself would like to be informed about that stuff. I may decide to donate my organs to research after I'm dead, but I have decided that.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You bring up a lot of good points.

Apparently there are some rights that exist beyond death. Currently HIPAA protection after death for medical privacy only extends fifty years.

So it does appear the argument is pretty moot.

Here is an interesting read on the matter.

https://aeon.co/essays/do-we-have-a-right-to-medical-privacy-after-we-are-dead

[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

When there is a crime scene, the place is searched for fingerprints, hair, fabrics, anything that could find the suspect. No “privacy” is given, because it’s a fucking crime scene. Hitler murdered people, that’s a crime scene. He forfeited any right to privacy when he forfeited his humanity.

The whole post is ridiculous.

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Because caring for our dead is a very human trait. In my state, a housing development was put on hold after the bones of indigenous people were found there and they had a connection to people claiming descent from them making the whole thing a family affair.

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How did they know they were indigenous bones? Was dead person's consent asked for to check if dead person wanted to be identified as ancestor of somebody?

I mean i understand caring for our dead, but anytime it's a matter of consent, its always for the living descendants, HIPPA protects medical records for 50 years, but they're generally protected so the living descendents don't feel impact for anything that maybe damaging.

And talking about laws I know it's a tangent, but the reason copyright exist after death is so that revenue can be enjoyed by living descendents. Laws are not necessarily sensible a lot of times.

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago

They could probably tell fairly quickly by the age of the ground they were found in. Colonisation occurred less than 200 years ago making it fairly trivial to understand if they were older. The indigenous had also maintained stories describing the area as a burial ground.

For the living indigenous its a tangible link to their pre colonisation culture, thus making it incredibly important to them. After they've had so much of their land, language, beliefs, foods and culture has been taken away from them, I'm sure you can understand why preserving the links that they still have is important to them

oh hey i live in a neighborhood like that. my entire city is on an indian burial ground. every time they develop land, they survey, catalog, and gather the artifacts before placing them on land no one is supposed to know where but it's by the park.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Presumably the insights are just that he was a human and not a space alien.

What are they looking for exactly?

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They are trying to track down the genocide gene. Then we can screen all of our politicians for it

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Nazis couldn't have done their genocide without the support of thousands of people, all who made the decision to actively support it for their personal gain, believes, or just plain complacency. What is a genocide supporting gene in one time is a normal suburban life gene in another time.

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, most people would love Hitler's work if it wasn't associated with Hitler/ Germany won the ww2. I fucking hate humanity.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

That is not what I'm saying. More, most people won't interfere or even support someone doing things like Hitler. You don't have to love your boring 9-to-5 job organising the maintenance of the trains to the camps, but if you do it because not doing it involves inconvenience... Yeah.

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

That sounds the kdrama Mouse where they find the serial killer gene, but just because you had it doesn't mean you'd become one. Sounds like a terrible future and another layer of future discrimination for things beyond people's control that might just be a carrier.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That sounds like latent serial killer genes talking

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Damn you caught me!

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 2 days ago

People keep shouting Idiocracy.

I reckon Gaataca is the more likely outcome.

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 days ago

An excuse for the camps to continue Hitler's work. How is everyone stupid enough not to figure it out?

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Just a weird topic especially with all this neo-nazism happening in the US government.

I am not saying it isn't newsworthy at all of course. It is just the timing is suspect.