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No, no, they're not gonna fly in and save anything. They've basically dropped even implying they're going to do that. Now the party line is "vote for us! We'll do nothing for 4 years! That's better than actively doing bad things. Remember to vote for us again in 4 years. Or bad things!"
And the most fucked up part is that nothing for 4 years is better than active bad things. We need actual 3rd party candidates and socialists doing some real fucking organizing at the local and state levels and building a coalition. We're never going to get a viable candidate from a viable party that isn't complete dogshit in a national election if there isn't a huge movement behind them, and we're not going to get that if we don't stop pretending like it can start at the presidential level.
That said, in a solid red or blue state, get the greens or whoever over the threshold so they get federal funding. But swing state voters have a much harder choice before them.
Whole system is fucked.
Made myself sad.
Going to bed now.
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"Guys! I keep voting for the lesser of two evils, but my country just continues to become more and more cartoonishly evil? What should i do?"
Effectively, yeah. Even when they do actually do something 'good' it's only to bring things 5 degrees to the left of where Republicans moved it, which is 30 degrees to the right of where it used to be. Ratchet effect in full force. I'm not arguing for the lesser of two evils, I'm arguing for non-evil to get better at building a base outside of the main two parties. Get to a point where people actually have some local and state reps in the green party, or a labor party or whatever, and they might actually vote for them in a national election. But it'll never happen until they've actually had a chance to see those parties doing something instead of just (with the biggest fucking air quotes imaginable) """spoiling"""" the general
Voting takes less than one day. It doesn't meaningfully reduce your ability to do activism, while wasting breath on how voting doesn't matter plays into the narrative that centrists are taught to follow so they don't take you seriously, which does meaningfully reduce the effectiveness of your activism.
Every leftist who doesn't vote should be held accountable for making the country they live in so much worse than it would have been if they did vote. Not voting for Harris in a swing state is about as bad as beating up a homeless person, in terms of how much harm it has caused to homeless people.
Spend 1460 days building the new world in the shell of the old, and 1 day voting so that when they try to stop you they do so with cops rather than with the army.
You know that there are elections every year? If you are going to say that elections are the solution, you should probably advocate that people vote in more than just presidential ones.
Also very funny to say not voting for Harris is the same as beating up a homeless person as harrassing homless people was half of her job as a DA in California.
How long does voting take you that voting in all elections in 4 years takes more than a day? I figured about 1½ hours per election on average would be reasonable to pick, travel, and maybe stand in line.
And yes, of course Democrats beat up homeless people. Those people will get harmed no matter who you vote for. The question is how much harm you can prevent by voting for the lesser evil as a sidequest to dismantling the system that gives people like the Democrats power.
Who said voting doesn't matter? I didn't see BakerBagel say that at all.
And voting for Harris, is a vote for genocide. Which lesser evil are you going to choose now?