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So, block the main income producer in western Canada, so that the province that imports its oil and gas from other countries and has an abundance of hydroelectric as IT'S main natural resource can be happy?
Yup, that's exactly the kind of attitude that has made western Canada so resentful. Especially when we know we're sending that 'blocking' province 14 billion a year out of the revenues of the resource they love to block. Make it make sense.
You mean, the same industry that's behind all the global warming related climate catastrophies that we've been facing year over year and responsible for Canadian forests burning from East to West year over year for the past 3 years??? Thar industry? The one that we're supposed to ramp down production to use alternative energies that are less impactful on the environment?
Maybe they should invest in other industries like green energy or other more sustainable industries.
You know that global climate change is actually GLOBAL, right? So 98.5% of the planet's emissions do not come from Canada. And of the tiny amount that does, its less than half coming from oil and gas. That 0.7% is a rounding error in a computation that greatly depends on what's input.
Canada's O and G sector is NOT the great demon you're making it out to be - it's barely a factor in climate change. If you REALLY want to make a change, chase the countries who are major polluters - China and the US - you know, the two places that produce almost ALL the goods you buy and consume. Start with boycotting all your purchases from those two countries and I'll believe you actually care about climate change.
I'm sorry, but that is such a shitty take. So because we're not the biggest polluters, we shouldn't make any effort to curb our emissions? Even if climate scientists are warning us that right now we need to drastically cut oil production, we shouldn't take any initiatives if no one else does?
What the fuck man?
Canada is in the top 10 largest emitters of greenhouse gasses in the world. In 2023 we produced approx 800 million tons of of carbon emissions. Just behind Saudi Arabia. (Source)
Also take a look at this chart from the government of Canada about greenhouse gas emissions from large facilities and look how many are from Alberta. Especially red ones. The biggest emittors are located mostly in Alberta and southern Ontario. We can take a guess at what industries those are related to.
Per capita, we emit way too much pollution per person.
Also we had an engagement to reach certain goals according to the Paris Climate Change Agreement and instead of following through, we basically told everyone we'd stop trying. Along with many other countries. Those goals were important to avoid a drastic increase of global temperatures. And look at where we are now. There's essentially no turning back. The climate is going to be fucked for good and we need to brace to deal with the consequences.
If a fishing boat is sinking because there are two big guys sitting on the stern and scooping 5 gallon buckets of water into it as fast as they can, its absolutely pointless to yell at the guy at the bow dribbling it in with a teaspoon, "Do your part and use a thimble instead!"
The only way to make any measurable difference in emissions is to slow down or stop those two guys with the buckets.
The world isn't 'sinking' because Canada isn't doing enough. Its sinking because we support and buy every product that China and the US produce and our multinational companies and gov leaders have no intention of stopping that and Canadians have very little desire to pay more for goods that cost more but pollute less. If you shop at Amazon, Walmart, Temu, Alibaba, Aliexpress you're the reason we're sinking.
In your analogy, we're also using a bucket. Not a spoon. And on top of that, we're helping the other guys as well is what you're saying.
Don't spend too much effort there. They explained in this very thread that they don't believe anthropogenic climate change is what the actual scientists working on this are telling us it is, with another shitty comparison (because a volcano feels like it's doing much more than humans).
You cannot reason people out of something they were not reasoned into.
Gotcha
I said its 'half real' as in I believe its the only half the cause for climate change.
As for reason lets try a little reason here: Lets say Canada were to drop into the ocean. The entire country ceases to exist. Now that we've removed that 1.5% of global emissions, the change in the climate is now what? Almost nothing. Because 98.5% of emissions weren't even coming from us, and the globe did not even notice when it was 1.5% less. The world still continues to warm, the climate continues to change. CANADA. DOESNT. MATTER. on the global scale.
Even less logical is the people who just want to kill the entire Canadian Oil and Gas industry. So that would reduce global emissions by 0.5% at MOST. Lovely. Now the world still has 99.5% of the same emissions, but we also have thousands and thousands of people out of work. We are now IMPORTING oil and gas because we still need it, even if we didnt use it for gas/diesel which means production increases elsewhere, likely Saudi Arabia where there are less environmental controls. The gov's now have to raise billions more in taxes because oil revenues are gone, so everyone is now facing major tax hikes on top of crazy high inflation. Seems like a lovely scenario - especially since NO ONE in the world is going to notice or be better off because emissions have only minutely changed. It makes NO sense.
Wow, just wow...
For starters, your belief does not matter. There are lots and lots of scientists that actually work on this, with real world data, and the consensus is that climate change is mostly of human origin (I didn't say most emissions, but climate change itself; it's not just about total emissions but about the planet's capacity to absorb those), and even you could easily see that natural emissions were taken care of by that very same nature, until the industrial revolution, where what we add to the whole cycle started overwhelming nature's ability to recycle emissions. Your feelings are of no significance.
As for the rest, as other have said, just because you feel (again) that we don't matter doesn't mean we don't. 1.5% is a lot, whether you feel it is or not, especially considering we're only 0.5% of the population. If you still don't understand my point, it means we're a huge source or emissions per capita. We're actually polluting more than the US per capita.
If the world wants to reduce their emissions, the whole world has to work on it, not just the few biggest culprits. Also that whole diatribe is missing a pretty crucial point: China, the biggest emitter, is also one of the countries moving toward renewables the fastest.
So what? Do we have to wait until we're left as one of the biggest emitters until we actually do something about it?
There's also the fact that our oil comes from oil sands, which is harder to extract and produces even more pollution to extract and refine. All oil is not equal. Also moving away from oil and into renewables means we use less of the first, so no need to import as much. And people here are not even arguing for stopping completely our production, just not to build yet another pipeline (which is not just about expanding production, pipelines are not reliable, very often have leaks that pollute even more, and destroy the environment).
Stop using your feelings and hypotheticals, and use actual data.
The planet does not care about PER CAPITA emissions which is exactly why this is a GLOBAL problem and not a Canadian problem. If there was ONE person in Canada emitting 1.5% of the world's emissions, 98.5% of it would still not be coming from Canada so that per capita argument is moot. The climate only care about totals.
Mathematically impossible. China could score a MASSIVE feat and cut their emissions by 1/3 and they would STILL emit fifteen times more than Canada. We will NEVER be one of the biggest emitters because we are such a tiny emitter to begin with.
Going back to my initial analogy, the climate is not going to notice if we give up our teaspoon and start using a thimble when China is still using a 3.5 gallon pail instead of a 5 gallon pail to sink the boat.
Im not using feelings, Im using reason and math. 1/3 less of China's 33% emissions is an 11% reduction. 1/3 less of Canada's 1.5% emissions is 0.5% which is a margin of error in the science that is based on a computer calculated formula with inexact inputs.
Sigh
"using reason and math" and yet you disagree with the scientific consensus that climate change is man made ("only half" is disagreeing) because of a feeling.
Also what's the threshold to "be a problem"? 1.5%? Why?
That would leave only 8 (maybe 10, depending on the source) countries that "matter", with a total of 67-69% of the world's emissions. So more than 30% of the world's emissions are not a problem?
Seriously...
The point is focus. It is futile to point the firehose at the weeds on fire in the flower bed when the entire house is going up in flames.
And right now to put out the fire the focus should be on the countries that can actually make a difference, primarily China, the US, India and EU next.
But those also happen to be our biggest trading partners. So in a capitalist country like Canada no one, including the government, wants to damage the bottom line, so instead of having a policy with some teeth like "we will cut our trade with those countries by half until they lower their emissions" what is the message you hear? You hear, "Buy an EV, save the planet" "Get solar panels, save the planet" as if that's going to actually a dent in emissions in Canada.
It will make an imperceptible dent but the resounding message is please continue to buy buy buy more products and DONT stop spending money on our trading partners. That doesnt make sense and its why I know that our gov's are not actually serious about climate change.
1.5% for Canada's emissions.
38% just from two countries - China and the US. Throw in India and its 44% of global emissions. From 3 countries out of 195.
98.5% of global emissions are NOT from Canada. We are barely a teaspoon.
Right, so let's must not make any effort and throw our trash in the rivers and the lakes and jack up oil production and greenhouse gas emissions because why the fuck not. Right?
What a shit mentality.
And you do understand the reason why these countries pollute so much is because all our industries moved their production there, thanks to globalization efforts, for the very reason that they lack costly environmental protection like we have here in our western countries, right? We're in large part responsible for that pollution.
I'd prefer we do our part instead and be a leading example that we can be proud of instead of nihilistic assholes.
Your first comment is outlandish and not anything close to the opinion I presented.
And yes, you're saying exactly the same thing I did when you agree that we're responsible for moving our production elsewhere. Thats my point. We still buy everything from China and THAT'S the world's primary polluter not the oil and gas industry.