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[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

This assumes that people wouldn't take the same job for less pay if they were guaranteed a fixed amount that more or less made up the difference. If I work a job where I make $50,000/year, and I went to a world where I made $20,000/year UBI and $30,000/ year from my job, I could end up ahead under this scheme with the only additional cost to the economy being my possibly lowered taxes. Under this plan, raising taxes and lowering minimum wage/wage expectations means there would be at most a slight change to corporate taxes (and some jobs would have to pay more when you factor in UBI because desperation would be less of a factor for what people are willing to put up with).

So, realistically, the only cost would be whatever is required to get whoever is below the set line up to the set line, for individuals, corporations, and the government. This would also depend on people who are already making more than UBI to take a "pay cut", and for corporations to not resist paying more taxes to balance the lower payroll costs. So it's never really going to happen.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

“Universal Basic Income (UBI) is a social welfare concept that proposes providing all citizens or residents of a particular country or region with a regular, unconditional sum of money, regardless of their income, employment status, or wealth

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That has no bearing on what your income from your job is. Pretending this won't have any impact on the value of jobs to both employers and workers can only be intentionally obtuse. That's like saying that raising minimum wage will have an equal impact on the hourly wage of all employees.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That is a false equivalency.

I am also arguing against UBI, so thank you for adding additional points to my argument.

Take care.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Once again, misleading to the point of being intentional. A implies B is not the same as B implies A. Having UBI be guaranteed regardless of income is not the same as income being guaranteed regardless of UBI. So why do you keep insisting that it must? At this point I have to assume intent rather than ignorance.