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Wow, what the heck happened? Do we know the dev's lemmy username for any clues?
It's a combination of a burn out and a close friend (also moderator of the 30rock community on Dubvee) ending up in a coma, it seems.
Where are you seeing mention that the coma contributed to the choice to discontinue? I see in the !30rock@dubvee.org post that the community will be shut down despite the fact that the only mod is not able to even protest that decision or anything, but no other mention.
Yes, I posted his message in my post's body. https://dubvee.org/post/3788765
Thanks for that context.
The specific "burned out" is a common killer among folks that try this: community management
"Well, two years in, and I cannot say this place is any better, just differently bad if not worse. Too many people here seem to think that because it's not "corpo social media" that anything goes, and boy do some people really run with that."
I can't say I blame them. People can be horrible. Managing a community also means managing the worst of people. I had a former employer that did community management of a dating site. The level of mental trauma the front line workers endured was more than I could imagine. This is also why I completely understand instance admins that follow an aggressive blocking/banning approach. Beehaw put up tall walls and defederated aplenty. Blahaj.zone actively bans based upon user activity that is even on other unrelated instances. I can't fault either of these approaches because the alternative is dealing with the worst users en masse.
I hope that instance owner/manager gets some of that much deserved rest.
Apparently, reading the details on there - he might not shut it down.
Sounds like someone wasn't prepared for the reality of human interaction on the internet.
I mean its completely fair to say that they don't want to deal with it, but also what did they expect?
I totally have to disagree. Instance owners are attacked here on Lemmy for trying to keep their instance in line with the local laws where they live. You know, which they totally have to keep free of legal trouble that might cost them a lot of time, money or even put them into jail. It's not great when admins have to deal with utter idiots in their free time. Remember the whole Nicole fiasco where some poor girl was harassed via a spam attack? Remember that spam attack with the scat porn? All this hate going around with the war in the middle east? I can totally understand why someone burns out dealing with this crap in their free time. Come home from work after a hard day. Another scat spam attack you have to deal with. Another Hamas sympathizer calling you genocide lover because you deleted his propaganda. Someone else attacking you because you removed content that is illegal where you live and you hope that no authority saw it before you deleted it. Go to bed. Go to work. Repeat.
Since you're on the same instance as me, I assume you are a mod/admin there. Let me use this opportunity to say thank you to you and all the other mods on feddit.org for helping to keep that place one of the most pleasant online spaces I've come across in my years on the internet. As far as I can tell from the outside you and the others are doing a great job.
I'm not a mod there, but thank you :)
Oh, I totally read that as you talking from experience :)
Or do you mod somewhere else?
Post your thank you message to
!main@feddit.org
I am sure feddit.org admins/mod and other relevant people will love this.
A bit offtopic, but why would anyone want to keep their instance in line with local laws? Aren't internet sites operating under jurisdiction of where they are hosted? Or is it just some coincidence that those people decided to host their stuff at datacenters at their local proximity? When I'm choosing hosting the first thing I think about: "hmmm I shouldn't host in country where I live because I don't want to ever have any problem with local authorities, and if I host elsewhere authorities there won't be able to reach me physically so the worst thing that could happen is the site gets shut down".
There are multiple reasons: If you want to fund your instance by donations, you need to be able to act under your real name. You might get away with a totally anonymous instance which you are funding via cryptodonations and which you are hosting at a provider who really does not care about KYC, but that is also illegal in many jurisdictions. There is totally a case for a lemmy instance admin to be known publically, to be able to interact with the community in person, to be able to go to meetups or to be able to give talks at conventions.
And if you are not living in some country with totally crazy politics, most local laws are totally fine. Do not post hardcore pornography. Do not spread hatred or calls for murder and hate speach. Keep the piracy a little bit less obvious. Don't allow hardcore pornography and have a solid process to keep child porn from your platform. That might be different if you're living in Iran, Saudi-Arabia or Afghanistan, but in a western country it is totally ok to be in line with local laws.
We arent really in disagreement tho. I am absolutely empathetic with their situation and their burnout. Im just saying they should have seen it coming. Those two things arent contradictory. I just find it odd how one can invest so much time into a public project, without being aware of the realities of having to moderate it. Im thankful for the people that host instances, but i will never do it, because i know how much of a pain it is.
Not sure if "they should have seen it coming" really is the way to think about this. Yes, moderation is hard. Yes, it makes sense to build a team doing moderation. But let's be honest, Lemmy is insaner than other forums due to its federated structure.
If you don’t want to be called a genocide lover, then don’t defend a genocide and then double down on it.
Easy.
Can I ask you what the worst examples of community management looks like? As in, what do you believe would be the worst part of the job?
When you moderate a platform that the public is free to upload anything to, you will see everything. From insults to threats to gore to CSAM. Thats how the internet is. That is the worst part in my opinion, because you cant just look away, but actually have to deal with it.
I managed a forum for a decade, and seen everything except CSAM. You just delete it.
It was on a .tk domain and it got suspended for content violations anyway
I agree with you. However, I don't think most people understand that. For most folks they haven't been exposed to the most mentally darkest souls among us.
thats why the bigger platforms resorted to using ai overmoderation to deal with these.
This really is a complicated problem, but if the fediverse wants to grow without relying on slave labor for moderation like Meta and the rest, then we have to find ways to lighten the load on moderators. Thats why creating transparent pre moderation tools like the image scanners used by many fediverse instances is so important.
Are there any moderation tool projects going on right now one could throw a few bucks at to support it?
This one is a very basic CSAM scanner that goes through lemmy image storage and just deletes stuff it deems bad. https://github.com/db0/fedi-safety I havent tried it tho, so i cant attest to its quality.
Im sure there are tools made for mastodon too, since it has a lot more users.
No idea, but it's not an active instance so idk what happened.
He's sick of the morons on Lemmy.
another lemming that doesn't want to perticipate in the far-left hate machine that lemmy has descended into
it's the same reason that user numbers on lemmy are slowly but surely declining
lol
Considering how few references there were in the post, and your projection onto it. I think you may be part of the group he's talking about that is causing him to close up shop. Its just my speculation though. If I'm right, how does that make you feel? Are you happy he's closing up the instance and leaving the Fediverse or are you sad that a heavy contributor to the Fediverse is leaving?
Why use many words when few words do trick?
I have no criticism of the original post. My statement was aimed at Sal's hyperbolic interpretation and self-projection of those few words.
He's explicitly talking about detracting people who are "violent" and call him a "bootlicker" for "deescalating". It seems like it's moderator speak for "people are saying politicians/billionaires should die and that personally offends me". It's enlightened centrism. People came to Lemmy explicitily because Reddit bans you for disliking billionaires now.
Like, the entire concept of the Fediverse is anarchist. It's a collection of decentralized servers who can connect to each other but have their own rules. Someone going to develop for the LITERAL ANARCHIST SOCIAL MEDIA STRUCTURE and then getting surprised that everyone on it is anti-capitalist and anti-billionaire is the epitome of arrogance and lack of self-awareness.
It's not that I like them or anything, but it's very irrelevant to my motivations to use fediverse.
Being an anarchist isn't an excuse to be a dick y'know.
Unless you are a libertarian
in which case you're not an anarchist, you believe in the power of capital
That's, uh, not my experience.
Not a valid excuse, at least
Again, I ask: Why are you surprised that literal anti-capitalists hate billionaires?
You're making authoritative claims to what the Fediverse is, who the people posting here are, and what their collectives beliefs and goals are. The Fediverse certainly isn't a monolith that you can do that to. Hate isn't an identity, nor is it the goal of the Fediverse. I think this part of the original closure notice may apply to your line of responses here.
"The worst part is that they're so caught up in their own self-righteousness that they can't see they're just as bad or worse than what they're spewing violent rhetoric at; trying to talk sense into anyone or de-escalate things is immediately met with "bootlicker", wild accusations, and/or worse."
I'm obviously not talking about being a dick to billionaires, I'm talking about harassing a burnt out instance owner
Even if I would agree with your principles, this kind of comment is what is tiring for moderators to deal with at scale.
I mean, if you wanted to be in the literal anarchist social media network structure and not see people hating billionaires/politicians/nazis, why did you come here in the first place?
The entire concept of the Fediverse is anarchist. Of course anti-capitalists at large would be on it, because the capitalists are all over every other social media network. And besides, Tumblr constantly tells billionaires/politicians to die despite being corporate-run social media and literally nothing comes out of it.
You have your reasons. That doesn't mean that all other users here have the same reasons like you. Other users may have different reasons.
Sure, but to me it's like someone wandering into a pride parade and getting offended at the fact there's leather daddies there.
And yet, it was created by communists, and populated with all sorts of people, socialists, anarchists, liberals, communists, libertarians, punks (particularly of the solar variety), ai/crypto bros and more
There are very clearly lots of people here who don't already share your views, and who are here for different reasons, and the antagonistic, wildly presumptive way you're voicing your perspective just guarantees that exactly zero people come to see your perspective better.
As someone who at least largely identifies with anarchism, please stop being a dick, you're doing a disservice to the humans you share this space with, and the causes you care about simultaneously. This platform is not exclusively yours just because you identify with its structure for political reasons.
Dude, this is exactly what you are doing. You have wandered into the fediverse that welcomes everybody and you are upset that not everybody agrees with you on everything and that justifies you being a dick. You are exactly the thing you are hating on in your head canon self righteous hero narrative.
Take this moment to reflect on your first instinctual mental response. Is it "but that's because I'm right"? Think about this and what it implies.
You can be a rebel and still be a nice person.