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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 54 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

We have to shout for him, there's nothing he can do. You know, "First they came for..." and all that.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

We have to shout for him

We can't.

The people who need to hear it are in another bubble and never will.

TBH I dunno how to fix it anymore. Even 'revolution' like many on Lemmy fantasize about will not penetrate, and most people don't want to understand what propaganda and algos are doing to them.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 15 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Protest has been working. Slowly, but it's working. Trump's approval rating is in the dumpster and I see no way for him to pull it out. His base is dumping him. I'm not sure of what's next, but take the small wins when we can.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

53% unfavorable is not 'in the dumpster,' unfortunately:

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_haeOEK5.pdf

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

It's better than his first term, and we re-elected him... If COVID couldn't penetrate the bubble, I honestly don't know what will.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Here are many polls that show him under water. The red means more people dislike him than like him.

Edit for source: https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Yeah and disapprove +11 (aka 54%) is the lowest poll (which I see more as +8 considering the 3% 'undecided' block). It's not even close to congressional or direction disapproval polls, and it's still around where he was last time as president.

I don't mean to sound combative, but a slight plurality of disapproval is not gonna cut the mustard.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works -1 points 15 hours ago

It doesn’t matter. He’s not going to give up power because a bunch of people don’t like him. He doesn’t fucking care.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago

What’s next is they make him dictator for life, so he doesn’t have to pretend to care about his base anymore.

[–] themadcodger@kbin.earth 8 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, I just don't know how we come back from this. It's not like the sane among us are suddenly going to decide to go along with fascism, nor is that 30+% that somehow control the narrative going to stop being the literal worst all of a sudden (see: post-Reconstruction).

So we… Balkanize? Hold US Nuremberg trials and actually do something about the priblem, assuming we can get to that point?

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 1 points 17 hours ago

It's not like the sane among us are suddenly going to decide to go along with fascism

If that's your definition of sane I think you are in for a surprise about how low the number of sane people is. Just like common sense isn't actually that common.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

It’s not like the sane among us are suddenly going to decide to go along with fascism

Oh you underestimate people's self interest. If Big Tech continues on it's trajectory to a kind of Theil-ish cyberpunk dystopia, most people are going to go along. Like, even I have super techy naturalized family that keeps using Google or Facebook stuff. It's (seemingly) too essential.