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He declared, and people are going along. 'Law' does not seem to matter here.
We are not obligated as citizens. Thats what the men with guns are for.
Thats some tepid-ass bullshit for a part of thr constitution, it almost doesnt matter that the administration is going to wipe their asses with it.
So because you believe something will happen, we should lead a small, unsuccessful, violent revolution to ensure that it does happen?
How about you keep your big feelings to yourself while the people who have successfully grown a resistance from a few hundred thousand to ~10M in four months continue to successfully plan and execute a real resistance.
You use that phrase a lot. I feel like you're not actually reading what im typing.
It's not a resistance if it can't actually do anything. I'm not sure the milder thing is necessarily the easy sell.
What about growing numbers is confusing to you? 10M people is ~2% of our nation. We couldn’t collectively get anything done, yet. We’re growing a resistance through organized protests.
You clearly haven’t read enough on the topic. Do some research and then we can talk. Until then, your opinion is woefully uninformed.
You're just repeating talking points and numbers, not engaging with what im saying. You can see how that might make me feel vindicated unexpectedly quickly?
I know the first piece of theory you read is very heady, but please keep reading.
Yes. I’ve cited sources, provided facts, and quoted statistics. You’ve repeatedly used inflammatory language to share your feelings. How could you possibly think your argument is credible based on emotion. Provide documentation refuting my claim of peaceful protests being an effective engagement system to grow our numbers and I’ll reconsider my stance, but not before.
The thing about history and power is that there's always enough lies to tell any story you want to.
But generally 'peaceful' movements work best as a visible face to allow power a graceful surrender. Which means you guys get all the credit and a ton of divisive fuvking sanctimony while people willing to push in more radical ways get a little bit of night watchman syndrome. Dont let that shit work. If you try to discredit your allies, you're working for the enemy.
Theres a value in that option for non-humiliating surrender, in many cases. It's generally been a great need-for-force-divider¹ but when you're up against nazis, people with not an ounce of grace subtlety or sportsmanship within them, who do not get yo feel big for listening to people and changing course, it has not historically been useful. To them even communication is kind of an attack, so there is no way to disagree with civility, and the whole mechanism of peaceful opposition is undermined.
Your enemy, who they are, what drives them, and their horizons of action are absolutely factors that need to be taken into account when choosing strategy. These guys get hard when they think of shooting into a crowd.
The doctrine and driving force behind your people is also fucking important. It's more than just having people/not having people. A shitlib who wants to be at the party, a conscript who doesnt want to be hunted as a deserter, someone with a particular interest, and a die hard true believer, all have different horizons of action and lengths they'll push to, or be pushed to before breaking.
I do think this would have been important and the most effective thing against the biden regime, or a hypothetical harris regime, but i doubt we wouldve gotten it.
I agree violence is fucking scary and I'd rather not. I just don't think that's on the table.
¹effectively force multiplier
Your entire comment is based on your projection of a peaceful surrender. I don’t think you understand how to debate. I’m stating that peaceful resistance has successfully grown our numbers from a few hundred thousand to ~10M in four months. You are challenging that method. Propose a better method to mobilize tens of millions of citizens and you’ll have my attention. Otherwise, you’re just writing noise.
Im criticizing the degree to which theyre mobilized, and concerned that this kind of rhetoric caps that pretty low.
You're just repeating 'line go up!' And while that's not useless, it's not enough. It doesn't win alone.
So you have no advice, only condemnation. Thanks for wasting my time. Good luck complaining the government into submission.
That is what im doing, yes. Complaining so fucking hard.
So is yours.
Provide a source contradicting my claim. That’s how adults debate. Your comment is childish banter.