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Trump dying sounds good until you consider he'll be replaced by JD Vance
JD Vance dying sounds good until you consider he'll be replaced by Mike Johnson.
I was curious how far down the line of succession you would have to go to find someone who would not be a catastrophically bad president. 11 positions down is the Secretary of Labor, Lori Chavez-DeRemer. She's a Hispanic woman who was one of 6 Republican house members who signed a pledge to respect the results of the 2024 election, the only Republican cosponsor of a pro- union bill, and opposes a national Bank on abortion or IVF. Far from Ideal but light years better than the rest of the fascists on the list
It would be nigh impossible for that outcome though. If trump dies, Vance assumes the role but then selects a new VP. This new VP is now first in line and Johnson hasn't moved up at all. It would take the synchronized deaths of all those others in line ahead of Lori Chavez-DeRemer for her to get the position. This is a known possibility so they generally keep people separated to some degree. That way if someone wants to plot a mass assassination to clear the line, it's much more difficult. They couldn't just try to bomb one building or something.
I’m an atheist but on Inauguration Day I was praying. Then they moved it inside suddenly. All those billionaire butt kissers were there too…
But seriously, that was a potential dream scenario for… uh… someone…
Kiefer
True, but most if not all of those positions need congressional approval of the next person holding the position. It doesn't transfer automatically. The approval process can drag on for months. I think one or two are still "acting" secretaries under Trump.
So how did she get a cabinet level position? I'm honestly confused
Normally I would never say a woman slept her way to the top, but this is Trump we are talking about. None of these people legitimately earned their cabinet positions.
just gather them all and let a single mortar shell loose
Vance can pick anyone to be his VP I believe, so it likely wouldn't be Johnson
They're referring to the succession in an emergency. After that i think is speaker pro tempore
Yeah, I think they are just pointing in the line of succession doesn't do much if the VP was chosen by the president. We only made it 4 electiona before the 12th amendment was made and killed any hopes that the line of succession would be useful and Washingtons hopes that we wouldn't become a 2 party system were completely dashed.
Without the 12th Amendment I have no idea who would be president right now. Biden would have never been Vice President and such likely would have never been President. Harris the same. But the President would likely have an obstacle at all times in the Senate as the only way to get both the President and Vice President elected for the same "party" they would have to have 2 candidates beat 1 of another party, splitting the vote of their own party. In today's media age, it would be really hard to have gotten that done.
If there is an opening in the VP spot, the President nominates a new VP. But that VP still has to be confirmed by both houses of Congress before he can be sworn in.
The only way Johnson becomes president is if a) Trump dies, Vance nominates him, and Congress confirms it, or b) both Trump and Vance kick the bucket at the same time which automatically puts Johnson in the White House.
Yeah, we're fucked.
Christ, what a list of absolute scumbags.
What if all 18 are taken out then what?
JD Vance doesn't have the following or the charisma to pull off the nonsense Trump does. MAGA doesn't work without Trump. Anytime MAGA has been in an election without Trump it fails pretty spectacularly.
Maybe, but if he inherits a full on police state, he might not need charisma or followers any more.
Maybe, but I don't think it will last. I think Trump has a better chance at getting a third term than JD has at getting a first term.
Doesn't work. Even a police state needs a base of support in the populace or it doesn't last long. The constant pressure of enforced conformity is too much for the system to endure.
Also, under fascism, the second string guys are chosen for loyalty first and competence second. If the central guy dies, they fight amongst themselves and nobody wins.
Yeah.. I'm reading this thread, and not thinking about his lack of charisma, but places like Pakistan where military coups follow.
You only need a following and charisma to get elected, he would just be handed more power so that doesn't matter.
Nah, you need the charisma to convince the people in congress to go along with your ideas. Trump has that kind of sway and power because of all the lackeys he put in place. I don't think JD could hold the same influence over them.
I don't want Trump to die. I want him just in the edge of mental degradation so there's a constitutional crisis. GQP will hesitate to 24A him cause MAGA would revolt. It would be an extremely lame duck presidency.
I want Trump to live long and quiet enough that he's forgotten.
I want him to survive a Cat-5 hurricane that destroys Mar-a-Lago.
I want him to drool uncontrollably in a wheelchair while they take down his name down from buildings and golf resorts and turn them into shelters for the homeless and asylum seekers.
I want all his sons turn into Viserys III Targaryen, paupers and laughing stocks that people entertain out of pity, not respect.
I want him to live a long life in interesting times.
It already is. Haven't you seen him sign those executive orders and it's immediately apparent he's never seen or read it before that moment? He doesn't have any clue what he's going to sign before they put the paper in front of him.
Trump is in the White House for two reasons- make himself richer and avoid prosecution for his crimes. Everything else that's happening is being masterminded by someone else. Smart money is on Stephen Miller.
It's one part Stephen Miller one part Heritage foundation.
I believe it was Steve Bannon that previously referred to Trump as an "empty vessel." These people promise him the chance to grift to his hearts content and they pour their agenda into him.
His whole Biden auto pen thing is more fucking projection... He has very little idea what he is signing, he's just signing off heritage foundation wishlists and going about his day shitting himself and yelling at people.
I think they’d Weekend at Bernie’s him to pass the worst legislation you’ve ever heard of.
If it’s unpopular Trump gets the blame and he’s too incapacitated and impotent to lash out at them.
Basically what Trump accused the Biden admin of doing.
I mean, thats what they're doing now. He'll sign whatever they put in front of him.
"He'll sign anything that stays still long enough"- Ron Weasley on Profesor Lockhart
That practice isn't rare in authoritarian states. George III, Stalin, Nero, probably Mao. Now TACO.
That sounds delightful.
I’ll take “horrifically nauseous and hovering over a toilet forever and ever” for 400, Alex.
Oh so you want the actual autopen presidency to continue
autosharpie
Gtfo of here with stupid MAGA-speak and come back when you can formulate your own criticisms instead of just parroting this low effort 'talking point' shit you've been given
It's not a low effort talking point given to anyone. I made the same comment in another section of the thread thinking it was somewhat original. If he's mindlessly signing what is put in front of him then it's no different than an automated signature by a mindless machine.
The reference is to point out the hypocrisy of Republicans claiming Bidens use of auto pen meant he didn't know about or care about what he was signing and was too unwell or careless to do it himself, and then we have Trump, albeit physically there signing the things, mentally checked out so he's not doing anything particularly different than what crap the Republicans were saying before. Unless I'm misunderstanding it, it's just a statement on Republican hypocrisy.
I think it fits well.
"Trump is going to die any day now" is a thing people were posting in 2018. It's a thing people were posting about Vladimir Putin in 2018.
It's all court gossip and click bait bullshit.
There's a subreddit dedicated to telling you if Trump has died yet
JD Vance is garbage, buuut... he's just another horrible GOP person, really. The thing that made people afraid to resist Trump was his cult-like base. They've tried multiple successors, and no one has even come close to capturing the same unconditional love of this racist moron by those pieces of shit as Trump. If we as a country have a final chance we don't deserve, it's Trump dying from his beloved "hamberders"...
Let's hope it happens before the 2 year mark so it counts as a full first term for Vance
The fewer shit stains the better. And while JD is pure evil, he doesn't have the cult of personality that Shitler does.
That would be the main hope, that once Trump's "charisma" is taken out of the picture, MAGA might start to lose enthusiasm. But it would take some time for the MAGA momentum to wind down, and the authoritarians-in-waiting would be keen to consolidate power quickly and insulate themselves against the opinions of the masses. So then the next hope is that they all start fighting among themselves so hard that the damage any of them can do is limited.
Them consolidating power is still better than that same power already consolidated
I'm not too sure. Sure, he's VP but he's also not that popular with MAGA. If Trump would go (in whatever way possible) I'm sure it'll lead to infighting.