Controversial - the place to discuss controversial topics

452 readers

1 users here now

Controversial - the community to discuss controversial topics.

Challenge others opinions and be challenged on your own.

This is not a safe space nor an echo-chamber, you come here to discuss in a civilized way, no flaming, no insults!

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, "trust me bro" is not a valid argument.

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

-13

Trans women should be allowed in sports, but with strict limitations (lemm.ee)

submitted 3 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

46 comments fedilink hide all child comments

This seems to be a black and white issue for many, always Yes or always No.

As with most thigns I feel the truth is somewhere in the middle.

It's a spectrum

IMO

A biological man who never underwent puberty and never got the benefits of higher testosterone etc. should be allowed in women's sports.

But, someone like Usain Bolt, who because of undergoing male puberty has bigger bones than he would have had if he didn't, should never be allowed to compete in women's sports.

Where we draw the line, I don't know, but I don't think it's black or white.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because every sport would be 95% men at the top?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Did you understand my suggestion? There would be different teams, split by approximate physical ability.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I assume you mean something like weight classes in combat sports? No one expects a welterweight to fight a heavyweight. And the existence of either class doesn't reduce the achievements of anyone not in it.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Let's use combat sports, how would you measure "approximate physical ability" ?

If you just go by weight and don't split the genders, biological women won't stand a chance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't know. Weight alone is likely a poor measure, and one we see exploited in combat sports to the harm and even death of competators. Working that specifically out is a question for sports scientists I think, rather than basing it on the feelings and biases of spectators.

What I am talking about is the cultural acceptance of sectioned competition, and that it doesn't reduce the achievements and glory of competators.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Basing the rules of your sports on the feelings and biases of spectators sounds wild.

and is open for abuse, if most spectators want to disqualify a person because they don't like them, they would be able to.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How do you even begin to measure that?

Hight, bone density, muscle weight etc plays such a massive role.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

I would leave it up to sports experts to measure it, which I am not one. It's still a good idea, even if I don't have the expertise to work out the details. I can see from other comments though that you are either a troll or very stupid, intentionally or unintentionally misunderstanding what we say to you. So this comment is not to you, it's to all the lurkers and readers of comments that might otherwise be convinced by your arguments without a counterpoint.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago

And the “top” ability divisions would be mostly men.