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[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

The problem is that something is missing and it's being filled by angry reactionaries and right wing grifters who prey on the particular insecurities of young men, specifically insecurities around masculine values.

What's missing is a foundational framework for understanding the male experience as distinct yet coequal to feminist theory. A framework that seeks to promote a balanced, respectful dialogue by articulating unique structures, values, and challenges faced by men, in order to offer a lens through which male identity, struggle, and transformation can be understood on their own terms, while upholding - acknowledging - the progress and insights of feminism.

These men feel like they don't have purpose or identity. They need a framework, but unfortunately efforts to define and build such a framework are often hijacked by extremists that just hate women and minorities. Like we see now.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Do we really need to make the framework different for male and female humans? Why not use one for humans and teach tolerance to difference in general? I don't think many of the issues we face will be solved if we keep two different frameworks.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The framework that is built from the oppression of women, and the challenges that arise from that, does not represent the lived experiences, challenges, or values of men. All too often it diminishes these. To move forward in a spirit of mutual understanding requires a recognition of what matters to men; i.e., what provides purpose and value.

I feel that you may be misunderstanding me. This is exactly about tolerance and acceptance - including acceptance that men and women have different lived experiences that are founded on different fundamental principles of what is important and what provides purpose. Is it really so difficult to accept that men might find purpose or value that differs from women? I don't believe there is harm in acknowledging that, and respecting a healthy understanding of that difference.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

I don't deny that the current experience of life is different because of gender/sex. So I am rather talking about the target, a society without sexism.

Is it really so difficult to accept that men might find purpose or value that differs from women?

Yes, I am indeed questioning this point. Is this difference in the essence of the gender or is it a social construct?

For me, it's actually not hard to imagine that men and women could share the same distribution of purposes and values, if the environment in which they grew up supported it. The diversity would be based on the uniqueness of individuals with little to no influence from the gender.

I find it very oppressing to have the specific framework you mention associated to you because of your gender. What about transgender people or people who don't associate with a traditional gender?

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