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[–] Fabian@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I would support stronger ties to Canada, but Canada is not exactly in Europe

[–] Muffi@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why would that matter? It's a political and economical union, not a geographical one.

[–] Fabian@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

As the parliament says

In order to apply for EU membership, a country has to be European and respect the EU's democratic values

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20180126STO94113/enlargement-how-do-countries-join-the-eu

Since according to Article 49

The applicant country must [...] be a European state;

https://publications.europa.eu/resource/cellar/0ae670d2-1ece-4994-b1e3-adda39e1c6de.0006.03/DOC_1

[–] Pixelnator@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

As mentioned in the post above, what constitutes as European is decided by the European Council and European Commission. You are correct in that it is a requirement but there is nothing stopping them from going "Canada is European, as it shares our values, ideals, and ideologies". The decision does not have to be geographical.

It's unlikely and kind of a "the rules don't say a dog can't play basketball" type move but it's technically valid.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cyprus isn't in Europe at all and is in the EU. You just have to be "substantially" European, according to whatever committee.

Failing that, it's possible to be in the EU in every way but officially. Norway and Switzerland have that situation.

[–] SheenSquelcher@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

respect the EU's democratic values

Just like Hungary does?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

They did when they got in.

The problem is that it's impossible to kick out a member if they stop respecting the EU's democratic values whilst being a member.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's literally one of their requirements.

[–] Pixelnator@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

The definition of what classifies as European is up to the assessment of the European Council and the European Commission and need not be defined by geography.

III. CONDITIONS OF ACCESSION a) The European State

The sole material condition laid down by Article O of the TEU is that the applicant must be a 'European State'. There is no unequivocal interpretation of that criterion. It can be read equally well in geographical, cultural or political terms.

In 1987 an application to become a Member of the Communities was received from Morocco. The application was rejected by the Council on the grounds that Morocco was not a European State ( 7). In the case of Turkey, Article 28 of the Association Agreement signed in 1963 incudes the option of Turkey's eventually acceding to the Communities. Turkey in fact lodged an application to accede on 14 April 1987. Historically, Turkey has formed part of the so-called 'European concert'. Although part of Turkey's territory is located geographically in Asia, Parliament, the Council and the Commission have confirmed Turkey's eligibility ( 8). This example shows that the term 'European State' need not be interpreted in a strictly geographical sense. It is at all events a criterion subject to political assessment.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/enlargement/briefings/23a2_en.htm

In other words if we decide that Canada counts, then Canada counts.

[–] SheenSquelcher@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe not right now but requirements can be changed, especially in times of need.

[–] TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Canada does share a land boarder with Denmark.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Two! Both sea and land borders with France. Don't forget Vimy Ridge!

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We do where. Seems Denmark is really far away.

[–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think they're referring to Greenland but I'm not aware of a land border

[–] Warehouse@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

Greenland is part of Denmark, we share a border with them through Hans Island

[–] vapourisation@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if we just take Canada and move it over a little?

[–] Fabian@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thinking outside the ~~box~~ continent. I like it

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So are many parts of the Netherlands or France, for example

Local residents are not Europeans, they don't necessarily even use euro despite their mainland countries doing just that, but they are residents of the European Union.

[–] Fabian@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

True, but 'being in the EU' is actually not that simple, and these territories have special statuses and and are not part of the 'core EU'. Here is a simple visualization