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Touch that shit, I fucken dare you.
If it gets out of hand Elmo will be left holding the bag and likely forced out. The Trump admin will continue on like nothing happened, they won't lose an ounce of support, and DOGE will just be a short footnote on our decline to fascism.
I like your optimism
That's not optimism, it's the very real conclusion that Elon is the (miraculously unwitting) fall guy for all the bad shit they need done early on to facilitate everything else. They'll get to do the whole "we got rid of the bad eggs, we've tuned over a new leaf" thing that conservative politicians love to do when they kick out a fall guy.
This time next year he's going to be shouting on some fuckhead podcast about how he was used. I practically guarantee it.
Well that or Elon successfully manages to do what he thinks will happen and manages to take full control
Counterpoint: There's a significant chance that Musk has dirt on Trump. He literally has access to Trump's old DM's from Twitter. There's a good chance that when he was forced to buy Twitter he needed to find something he could leverage out of the forced buy. Trump's DMs are easy pickings at that point, they were never encrypted. That's why they're called "Direct Messages" and not "Private Messages."
Further, there's rampant speculation that Musk helped him steal the election, but that's a lot more loose and may not be a real thing. Musk having access to Trump's past DMs on Twitter is basically a fact.
Very good point about the DMs. Surprised this issue isn't being raised more often
Yeah but even if he had DM that said he raped and ate women and children none of his supporters would care
Having dirt on him does nothing when his supporters eat dirt.
It’s just like I have said about Putin having the underaged piss tapes. I don ‘t get it. Why should Trump lick his boots? Trump never suffers any consequences. No legal repercussions. His cult followers don’t drop him. Those supposed piss tapes could come out and no one would give a shit. So I’m not sure what his Twitter DMs could possibly have either.
In the grand scheme of things Leon is just one of many douchebags. One that has been publicly grating to deal with for the rest of the gang. They've probably been planning an ouster against him for a minute, it's just a matter of squeezing what use they can out of him in the meantime.
I 100% expect him to throw Elmo under the bus like he has with every other person that’s been on his side. He won’t really even need to try, his supporters will do it for him because they can’t handle a reality where they were wrong about the Orange One
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Tsar,_bad_Boyars
A process that worked for Russia!
What a crazy coincidence!
Pretty sure I’ve even read a few cases of MAGAts writing to Trump, sure that he never meant to eat their faces.
I don't.
Elon helped rig it. Elon is fucked if either of them reneg on it but it's less likely.
They’ll just cut it for anybody under 60 or whatever, and their base will cheer them on.
Not if they have been paying into it. At least not unless they get a refund for what they paid into it.
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Screw just being paid back. I want decades of interest on that loan I gave the government. If I don't get at least 10% on my investment I'll fucking riot.
Exactly, if they can’t hold up their end, it’s time for some old fashioned leg breaking.
No you won't.
🤣 you don't know anything about me. If I have no retirement to look forward to I have nothing to lose. I know I'm not alone in that sentiment too.
Just because you're a pussy doesn't mean everyone else is.
Idk I might 🤷♂️
They call it the "third rail of politics" for a reason.
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Yessss, anger the old people. Do it. They are the most reliable voting group.
What exactly are you going to do? Cry?
Dude, we are talking about 12.4% of folks taxable earnings since the day they all joined the workforce. You think tears are the only things gonna happen if that got stolen?
Yeah. I doubt the american people will do anything substantial
At the same time we're also talking about a demographic that's deeply steeped in fox news disinformation so who the fuck knows what they'd think the cause or actuality of the suspension of benefits would be.
I’m not certain which demo you’re referring. All Americans with jobs pay into SS, and certainly not even half of them give a fuck all about some shitty cable infotainment network.
All Americans should care - but the folks that really care are the ones dependent on it in their retirement.
Agreed, totally, I just don’t think there is any evidence that all of those people (many, many Americans) are Fox News fans or would even want to be in the same room when it’s on the television.
I was specifically talking to that demographic that collects social security which are of retirement age (generally) and overwhelming consume fox news according to viewership demographics.
Ok, thank you for explaining, I thought the context was all Americans who could claim the SS benefit, hence my confusion with your comment. Cheers!
Half of American nonretirees already expect to get nothing from Social Security when they retire.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/546890/americans-upbeat-future-social-security-benefits.aspx
I mean, there'd be a lot of upset people, but...
Also (sorry to double comment you) wanted to mention, I don’t think any American has yet had to deal with actually not having SS benefits (I mean generally, in that they still exist, I am not talking about exceptional cases and those where the benefits were taken away legally, if that exists).
From the Gallup article you posted:
So it could happen in the next decade, but we expect it based on how it’s structured.
If it gets taken away from Americans by some ruling class, I’m pretty sure the reactions will be swift and meaningful. And I’m not even referring to any kind of violence, just normal old social and political and legal actions.
Sorry, I have to have things spelled out for me sometimes - what is your ‘but’?
Yes. What do you think will happen? Do you think there were no dictators or tyrannical regimes before or that they were universally liked? Most of the people that were at the helm end up fine, after decade or more of being in power. Don't delude yourself that there will be some kind of revolution, people will just take it and move on.
I’m not deluded about any revolution and I didn’t use those words.
Yes, a lot.
It ain't what the left is going to do that is reason for concern.
https://www.ssa.gov/deposit/T2StateSum_a.htm
https://www.adl.org/resources/report/right-wing-extremist-terrorism-united-states