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[–] Embargo@lemm.ee 247 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Apparent? Shut the fuck up.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 92 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Throwing in the word “apparent” is cowardly, but it’s also a lot cheaper than being sued for libel by a fucking billionaire.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago

Nah. Getting sued for libel is what these outlets should be absolutely proud to have sent their way. That's literally a news story in itself. It would also means he'd actually have to defend it instead of posting Nazi puns on Twitter.

[–] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So at what point of doing something does it actually become the thing that it was?

Seems pretty obvious to me.

[–] markko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From a legal point of view it hasn't been tried in a court of law, which is why words like "apparently" and "allegedly" are used.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

By that logic, it would impossible to report on literally anything.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes. It's impossible to report objectively on capitalists with enough control to sue. This has been shown again and again.

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yet here they are, reporting on it.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

Less than perfectly, due to the constraints of the system they are forced to operate within.*

You are, of course, free to start up a news agency that fulfills every ideal you hold close, just know that you'll have to have a lot of funding if you're going to be spending as much time in court defending against libel lawsuits as you spend on reporting.

[–] markko@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That is literally what happens in US news when the subject involves a criminal offence or could be considered defamation.

[–] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So if Elon literally lay down on the ground we couldn’t say he lay on the ground? You’re saying we would have to say allegedly? What he did is not in question, their argument was intent. It should be obvious that he lay on the ground but reported as possibly unintentionally lay on the ground. The action is clear as day and should not be up for dispute

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah. They're cowards because they don't want to lose any money saying the truth.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In this case I think the point is to be on the nose about how fucking ridiculous it is - just from this article:

Steve Bannon made a gesture that is identical to a Nazi salute

Bannon made the gesture — extending his arm, palm down, fingers straight, at an upward angle away from his chest, which is also what Nazi salutes look like

the gesture was also identical to one made by billionaire Elon Musk

extended his arm straight out, palm down, fingers straight, at an upward angle away from his chest. Which, whatever the billionaire’s intention, just happens to be precisely how a Nazi salute is performed.

Musk repeated the gesture. Here’s how that looked.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I also wouldn't be surprised if the DoJ would be specifically ordered to look at this case. When you're challenging power, it makes sense to cross your Ts and dot your Is.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oxford's top definition for Apparent is "clearly visible or understood; obvious"

[–] Embargo@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And the second (which is how they are using it) is "seeming real or true, but not necessarily so".

[–] belastend@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the third one is "brother, i really don't wanna get sued for that shit." Pretty sure they are using that one.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Having read the article, that doesn't seem to be the case. The undertones of the writing seem to be "There have been some attempts to deny that these are Nazi salutes (and not from the people making the gestures), but plausible deniability is rapidly running out and it definitely looks exactly like a Nazi salute".

[–] parody@lemmings.world 8 points 1 year ago

Dodging shackles of the new Ministry of Truth

[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

The space karen one was blatantly apparent, this was a pretty half assed attempt. Like he is too much of a bitch to put his contemptible fascist ideology on full display.