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"Frame Trunp" lol
It's hard not to feel like most of his fanboys knew nothing about him before he ran for president. He's a lifelong conman and proud of it. Did no one read his book? I did in the 90s and could tell this dude is the Steven Seagal of business.
Why defend this guy? There are plenty of conservative politicians who aren't total pieces of shit with awful track records. It's surreal that you elected a reality TV star to the highest office in the country and now you want to do it again.
Trump technically knows how to "make" money
He turned a 1 million dollar loan into a 100 mllion. Thats making money.
@glimse @BearOfaTime Let's not pretend that the #MSM would villainize any conservative republican who won the #GOP nomination. If #MarcoRubio, #RandPaul, #BenCarson, heck anyone other than #JohnKasich or #JebBush would have won, you'd be saying the exact same thing today about that person.
Not to say that #Trump is 100% innocent BTW, if #JoeBiden should be prosecuted for illegally having classified documents, so should #Trump. It goes both ways.
First off, what's up with all the hashtags? Your comment looks ridiculous and it's harder to read with links every other word.
Second, MSM would not be villainizing other candidates to this degree because Trump IS a villain. He's the poster child for scummy businessmen...a caricature, really. I would not be saying the same things because I've been well aware of what a selfish asshole Trump is for 20 years...and he's only gotten worse. Did you even read Art of the Deal? He's an embarrassment to the country beyond his status as a disgraced politician.
You're also forgetting that Biden handed those documents over willingly and without delay whereas Trump claimed he didn't have them and then, when pressured, admitted he did have them but claimed he was allowed to. This isn't even getting into the likelyhood that he was selling said documents to foreign actors. Now there's mounting evidence that he tried to cover it all up. That's your man? That's who you think should run the country?
@glimse
> MSM would not be villainizing other candidates to this degree because Trump IS a villain.
You're just parroting #MSM talking points here, not proving that I'm wrong.
> He’s the poster child for scummy businessmen…a caricature, really. I would not be saying the same things because I’ve been well aware of what a selfish asshole Trump is for 20 years…and he’s only gotten worse.
Then why was he so well liked while he was a businessman? Nobody hated him until the #MSM criticized him.
I'm not parroting shit. Like I said, I've been following Trump's shady dealings for 20 years. Clearly you haven't.
He's well-liked among two groups: the ultrarich because he makes them money with his schemes and the wannabe rich because they are willing to do anything to get ahead. He was never well-liked by other groups.
@glimse
> He’s well-liked among two groups: the ultrarich because he makes them money with his schemes and the wannabe rich because they are willing to do anything to get ahead. He was never well-liked by other groups.
Do you have a source for this?
@realcaseyrollins @glimse
As far as I can tell, Trump is popular among a range of social classes but also captured the college-educated conservative vote.
A source for what exactly? Public opinion?
You don't have to @ me every time.
@glimse Yes. If it was public, you should be able to find, say three instances of that opinion being espoused.
Unless it was like a super secret public opinion that nobody said out loud?
@realcaseyrollins @glimse
Like... the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Ziyon?!!
@amerika @glimse Pretty sure that was pretty popular in #Russia, and served as the origins for the modern antisemitic conspiracy theories we see today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
You're talking to a white supremicist.
Their site makes it clear.
That's the reason they're citing a racist conspiracy theory.
The mods won't ban him though, because that's the kind of user they wish to court.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen I'm not sure if he's a supremacist, more likely a racial separatist/"race realist". Wouldn't be shocked if he's racist, but yeah #TheProtocolsOfTheEldersOfZion is quite the deep cut, and his alt-right views are probably the only way he even knows what that is (I only know what that is when I started researching the origins of the #Israel v. #Palestine conflict and it came up as I was skimming #Wikipedia)
I don't make excuses for white supremicists.
Guess you do.
How the fuck is a "racial separatist" not a racist?
Gotta love how this community puts the full depravity of conservatism on display for everyone.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> I don’t make excuses for racists.
I don't either! I do try to understand them though. They walk among us, after all.
> How the fuck is a “racial separatist” not a racist?
They're still racist; the difference is that a white supremacist thinks that white people are better than other people, and racial separatists think that all races are equal, but should be segregated from each other.
Funny how you're more charitable to this white supremicist's views than you are for anyone to your left.
Last time we were having a discussion you misrepresented my views with every reply, but you've really dialed in the various flavors of racist, because those nuances are so important to understand.
Conservatives will ally with racists and fascists before they compromise with a lib.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Funny how you’re more charitable to this white supremicist’s views than you are for anyone to your left.
This is an interesting take. You must not know me very well.
Have you seen my political commentary blacklist of bad faith actors? It's mostly people on the right.
https://social.teci.world/objects/a591d729-7dd8-4374-b9c7-a31b9f5e56e9
> Last time we were having a discussion you misrepresented my views with every reply
Which convo was this?
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Conservatives will ally with racists and fascists before they compromise with a lib.
Part of me wonders if I'm even a #Conservative anymore. I hate big government and a lot of them don't, and the #MAGA people are pretty embarrassing to boot.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Conservatism is a philosophy, not a party. We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Conservatism is a philosophy
Fair enough; Conservatism is pretty broad so it can be as libertarian as it can be fascist.
I care too much about supporting small government and principles over people to want to associate too closely with the modern right, who I feel is increasingly okay with authoritarianism (look at their support of #DeSantis for example)
> We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.
That's kind of a childish way to view things.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Examining political spheres of thought, I've been wondering if I'm not closer to #ConservativeLiberalism than #Conservatism itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_liberalism
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
For me, getting away from Wikipedia is important. It's enemy propaganda. Britannica does a lot better for quality information anyway.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen god thought the same thing wen he did tower of babel. mixing races is no good
@cunt @LookBehindYouNowAndThen the username checks out
@glimse
> You’re also forgetting that Biden handed those documents over willingly and without delay whereas Trump claimed he didn’t have them and then, when pressured, admitted he did have them but claimed he was allowed to.
So? The law doesn't care; the criminal activity is having the documents, not refusing to return them or lying about having them.
If you think that Trump is on trial just because he had the documents at all, you clearly are following the case about as much as Trump's business history...as in... not paying attention at all.
@glimse
> If you think that Trump is on trial just because he had the documents at all
...I don't? He's on trial for many things.
@glimse
> That’s your man?
No, I've been criticizing #Trump during the entire #GOP presidential nomination process
> That’s who you think should run the country?
Not really, but he's way better than #JoeBiden