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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by mecen@lemmy.ca to c/games@lemmy.world
 

This is self explanatory; to all who do not support the idea of ownership, there shall be no more funding, regardless of their game's quality.

Advice:

buy from GOG, avoid single player games which require internet connection or 3 party launchers.

Repost from reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StopKillingGames/comments/1ugzirg/stoppayinggames/

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[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 134 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It is not self-explanatory. You needed to explain it. On its face, it sounds like it's saying to just pirate. I can get behind the message, but these three words aren't it. I know that coming up with effective, catchy slogans is hard, but this one's not going to do well.

[–] mecen@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not pay and even if pirate don't promote these games

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If you're endorsing piracy as a political stance in any way, I don't see it gaining traction. People need to be paid for their work; especially those who built a product for you that's meant to last and can't be taken away from you. I don't know how you convey that in a three- or four-word slogan, but I don't think this one does it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

People need to be paid for their work

The dogged insistence that piracy of a corporate product impacts the pay of it's employees neglects how the wage system works.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

The wages only appear if the thing they produce creates profits for the corporation. If they continually produce something that doesn't sell, they won't have a job anymore. And I'll raise you another part of this equation. If you pirated Assassin's Creed: Shadows because you hate Ubisoft or whatever, that game will take somewhere between 35 and 65 hours for most people to finish, according to How Long to Beat. That's 35 to 65 hours that you weren't spending in some other game, perhaps a game that respects your values enough that you'd part with your money to play. Maybe that's Kingdom Come: Deliverance II or The Alters or Knights in Tight Spaces; whatever your preferences are, there's some other game that also didn't get your money because you were playing that pirated game instead, and I picked those three examples because they're recent and run a range of different developer/publisher models while still being DRM-free.

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 week ago (5 children)

What are you talking about? Game devs are constantly being laid off even after the product they create, creates profits for the corp.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The wages only appear if the thing they produce creates profits for the corporation.

Would you take a job that requires years to complete and forego wages until it retails?

Nobody actually works like that.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, they typically don't. That's more what startups do. In the corporate world, the schedules are amortized, but the money has to come from somewhere.

[–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

You’re right. It often comes from the previous game but if that game doesn’t do well then the chances of there being another are greatly reduced.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And yet there are free indie games out there that are generally better than the corp funded crap. Creators will create, no matter what happens.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You'll find far fewer of them creating when they need to spend more of their time at a job that will allow them to feed their families. And I don't think the games I've found for free (actually free, not given away for free once as a promo) have tended to be better than the paid ones.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The wages only appear if the thing they produce creates profits for the corporation.

That's entirely untrue. Plenty of people get paid to make games that flop.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Not for more than one or two games in a row.

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[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Living in some fantasy land where never paying artists for their work magically results in them being compensated is pointless.

If you want to pirate, go ahead. I have. I don't pretend it's the "moral" thing to do.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

never paying artists for their work

In a corporate setting, wages pay the artists prior to the games' release. And the artists don't see additional revenue after it's release.

[–] nightlily@leminal.space 2 points 1 week ago

The dogged ignorance of gamers as to the financial reality of game devs neglects the fact that launch profitability bonuses are the only thing that lifts many of them out of a minimum wage bracket.

[–] mecen@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Well if single player game needs to connect to publisher sever to play then you don't buy this game and piracy is just preservation. I'm not endorsing piracy, but not condemning it.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree with the first sentence, but that's what I feel this slogan does a poor job of reinforcing.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I would argue in some ways piracy is a progressive form of demonstration against a systematic problem, and in this case the bigger studies that milk users and take advantage of those doing the work.

So telling people not to advocate with their form of protest is a bit unfair, it takes all tactics to get change. Its a bit like telling someone not to go out and march because you don't like that approach. People should get paid, but fairly. and consumers shouldn't be fleeced....So my sympathy for the studios involved is little theres been plenty of time to talk...they didnt listen, infact they stuck two fingers up.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a convenient form of protest that just happens to get you stuff for free.

I'm not better than pirates, I am one at times. I don't pretend like I'm doing something moral. I, like everyone else, do it so I can enjoy the content while saving the money for other things.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

I have no qualms paying for products. I try make the right choices but bit by bit it becomes impossible as the tech around us becomes more authoritative, more greedy, more invasive, more enshitified, less fair.

Streaming is a great example. Nearly all of them don’t treat staff well, they use profits to lobby or abuse their positions. I am happy to pay for content. I am not happy to pay to perpetuate bad behavior. Hence I’d like have an offline collection…but if I simply can’t buy it…then it becomes a service problem.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

People need to be paid for their work;

Then they need to quit fucking over their paying customers

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[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Gabe Newell on Video Game Piracy (Full Version, HQ) (2009)

Basically, if they (publishers) want money, they should stop being cunts to their costumers.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I am going to be frank, most people don't care about piracy. You making it the crux of this issue is a red hearing and disingenuous. It is something a corporate shill would bring up.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Being frank, nothing will come of a movement about consumer rights if it looks like you just want to get things for free.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Listen, as long as we allow corporations to ruin culture we will never be happy. There is no magical world where we respect copyright and corporate rule and get what we want.

Your opinion is simply wrong for multiple reasons. That is okay.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Picture a neutral voter reading two different headlines. Importantly, picture the voter’s reaction. How they show support in legislative bodies is important.

1: Purchases of newer video games have gone way down. Consumers are reportedly pirating them instead.

“God, the younger generation is so incredibly entitled. People slave away on these things and they just want to steal them? Makes me think that ballot question they had about ‘Stop Killing Games’ was just about making them easier to steal. What pathetic thieves.”

2: Purchases of newer video games have gone way down. Consumers are reportedly buying many indie games instead.

“Wow, I should look into some of these ‘indie’ games if they’re so good. Sounds like there’s a lot of money in them now! If they spend that much on the hobby, I guess it makes sense they’d push that legislation about consumer rights.”

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Picture actual headlines.

Gaming is pricing people out of the hobby

You don't own what you purchase

The major players are using their monopoly powers to drive up prices

All the major studios that make the games you love were bought up and now are being shuttered

AI is replacing programmers and artists

Also, we ain't winning this battle by convincing the poors to care about video games preservation.

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What game company has monopoly powers?

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I’m going to guess he’ll say all of them. After all, Squirrel with a Gun devs are the only ones allowed to sell copies of Squirrel with a Gun.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Steam currently has a 75% market share and has been engaging in price fixing for years now.

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Fair enough, Steam has been criticized for their 30% cut

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I can't dictate whether or not you pirate; I just think you can help influence the world in a more positive way if you don't. There are games made by people who worked hard and aren't employed by a corporation. I would encourage you to buy from them, because you can show that you value their hard work and want them to keep doing it. Games have the good fortune of being more democratized than other media, so even if they have the lion's share of the market, you can go on enjoying video games, even paying for video games, without giving those corporations the time of day.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You don't have to explain to me, I already know. I said you were wrong and I meant it. There is not going to be a corporation that is not enshitified. Did you miss all of the independent studious being bought up and now closed.

They are destroying our culture and the best you can muster is buy ethically? We are far beyond that rhetoric now. Like I said before it is okay. You have not really thought about what is going on and there is no shame in that.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, I didn't miss the independent studios being bought up, nor did I miss the countless others formed in their wake and free from corporate control. I'm not ashamed that I have a realistic view of the world, and I find yours to be childish.

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[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is something a corporate shill would bring up.

This is such a pathetic, thoughtless dismissal of an argument.

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