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First things first: don't assume that the person you're having a discussion with "will be confidently wrong twice." That's not a discussion, that's an argument on the internet.
Now that that's out of the way:
Please cite primary sources. I will only pen my thoughts for one paper you linked that I read, since I suspect this is one more paper than you have read. I'd like to demonstrate how I approach a paper, even if I'm only scanning through it:
It's important to actually read the papers to know how the research was conducted, and by whom. Case in point: the paper is written by the CEO of Impossible Foods. Could it possibly be biased at all, I wonder?
I'm no expert, but that's not right at all. Just look at what datacentre buildouts are doing to emissions! This already invalidates their model, so now we are solidly in spherical cow territory. But let's keep going.
Assuming that land reverts completely to its native ecosystem without livestock is a daring assumption, considering grassland ecosystems co-evolved with grazing animals! No wonder there is "considerable uncertainty." The cows are getting more and more spherical.
Paragraph speaks for itself.
So this model only considers emissions and biomass (manure) recovery. What about, for example, soil health, water infiltration, nutrient cycling, or other factors that regenerative farming techniques try to optimize for? Or the old chestnut that animals can graze on non-arable land?
The cows are definitely very spherical now.
Aha, there it is. The fundamental assumption that the entire paper is operating off of. This is unfortunately misinformation; plant nutrition is incapable of replacing animal nutrition, even if we only think of vitamin b12. But we also know about heme iron, the fat soluble vitamins ADEK, anti-nutrients, toxins, and so many other things. Read the community's posts to find out more :)
If you're curious, please start with "The Great Plant Based Con" by Jayne Buxton. Don't waste your time with these industry-funded papers.
p/s at least for this paper, tar wasn't wrong.
they just take poore-nemecek and plug it into their research. no discussion on the problem of combining disparately methodized lca data.
I have to admit to being a complete layperson when it comes to this domain, so the best I could do was a general critical reading of the paper, based on what little I know.
Thank you for providing some details as to how to start. I will look up and read Poore-Nemecek 2018.
I'm totally out of the loop on the nutritional side of this so I usually stay in my lane. I've read a lot of the lit on the environmental side and I can say with certainty that all the claims made about food production might be true, but the research simply isn't properly methodized to support it.
This also applies 100% to the state of nutritional science:
I can say with certainty that all the claims made about food nutrition might be true, but the research simply isn’t properly methodized to support it.
it's actually a tragic state for the academy. no reproducible studies. bad methodology. and everyone citing each other uncritically. it would be nice to have good data on ecology and nutrition, but everyone is so focused on just getting the paper out that no one is trying to advance the science.
Indeed, throw in some philosophical motivations and we the modern literature. In nutrition we see people outside the normal western academic circles doing studies and collecting data not aligned with the previous zeitgeists - so there is hope the literature will start to have meaningful impact going forward.
I would love to see a example of rewilding without animals..... even if it grows trees, soil health has to be measured. We need a agronomist! Quick call Peter Ballerstedt
the meta-analysis is just one paper, too. and it's bad.
Have you even read the article this post is about? I've given you links in other aspects of your comments, and you have ignored them. The difference between you and us is we have read what we cite.
The reason this is a question is because you haven't read your own studies yet?
Right there with you - you are not participating in good faith, you have not read your citations, you have used a LLM to generate points you ignore when addressed, you are in violation of rule 1, rule 2, and rule 3, and rule 4, and rule 6. Most importantly you don't keep the conversation interesting, you repeat the same points with ever increasing insults to others.
I think it's time you find a new community to participate in.