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Well, here it is!

A few days ago, I made a post appealing for information relating to animal product usage in the music instrument industry. Historically, musical instruments have used animal products. Typically, drumheads were made of animal skin, piano keys of ivory, and violin bows of horsehair. A lot of these processes have been phased out (most drums use Mylar for their skins now, and ivory was banned for pianos in the 80s.)

Here are some patterns I've noticed while creating this sheet:

  1. Drums and harmonicas are the "most vegan" instruments
  2. Acoustic pianos are much more likely to use wool than electric pianos
  3. The violin industry is the worst for animal products. Most violin manufacturers still use bows with horsehair.
  4. Manufacturers specialising in introductory/student products, such as Sigma and Franz Hoffmann, tend to use animal-derived materials rather than synthetic ones.
  5. Actual saxophones are vegan, but a lot of manufacturers use genuine leather straps. All companies that use leather for their straps have been labelled as orange. Trumpets, flugel horns, tubas, and trombones are seemingly okay regardless of manufacturer. Some flutes used to use ivory but again, this practice was banned in 1989.
  6. I discovered that clarinets tend to use goat skin for their pads. Unfortunately, I could not find any information on exactly which companies use animal skin for their clarinets. Sorry.

Another thing I've noticed is that information relating to this topic is EXTREMELY muddy. I would often find a source claiming that a manufacturer did not use animal products only to double check their information pages and see that they use wool. I would find sources claiming a manufacturer isn't vegan only to check their information pages and see that they seemingly use no animal products. For this reason, I cannot guarantee that the information in the spreadsheet is 100% accurate, but this is the closest to accuracy I have been able to get to.

This sheet compiles the top manufacturers in each category of instrument. If anyone has any other manufacturers they'd like me to investigate, please just say so in the comments.

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A couple of months ago I managed to convince a new friend to go vegan and I was 4y vegan at the time. A couple weeks in they asked me a question out of the blue "hey are pens vegan" and my first thought was well I suppose they could maybe be tested on animals, after all you don't want an ink that would hurt you if you get it on your skin, but what I found was even more disturbing, inks and dyes of many colours can come from various animal sources from crushed insects (cochineal) to bone char in black ink https://veganfoundry.com/is-ink-vegan/ and from weirder sources like snails octopi and cow urine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_dye

Little did I know at the time this would send me down a rabbit hole where I soon learned one by one that papers and cardboard (including toilet paper) use animal flesh as a binding agent https://veganfoundry.com/is-paper-vegan/ https://veganoga.com/is-paper-vegan/ https://www.perfectpapercompany.co.uk/blogs/news/vegan-papers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sizing that inks and dyes of all kinds not just pens but printers tattoos ink and hair dyes can contain animal products

So at this point I had a sinking feeling in my stomach, I had this suspicion that due to the relatively niche nature of this information are the vegan certifying orgs even checking product packaging? So I contacted the vegan society by email: " A product's packaging does fall out of the scope of the Vegan Trademark’s standards as there are very few verified options that are widely available. We would however question and potentially reject a registration that goes on to use packaging which is directly sourced from animals." huh? the vegan society probably one of the most outspoken advocates of the rights of vegans is essentially misleading vegans into buying things they think are free from animal products but in reality due to the prevalence of animal based inks papers and glues many vegans may be unwittingly buying animal products that have the Vegan Society stamp of approval, so I tried the vegetarian society: "Our vegetarian and vegan trademark criteria look exclusively at a product’s consumable/usable ingredients and their suitability for vegetarians and vegans. They do not extend to a product’s packaging." then I tried v-label and their response is written out in full in the attached image, if anyone would like the full email transcripts I will post my contact at the end.

Now I'm feeling sad that society has reduced animals lives to worth less than the printing on a box of packaging or literally less than toilet paper we wipe our ass with, I'm feeling angry at the psychopaths that made these manufacturing decisions to save a couple cents on some random box or spaghetti, and I feel betrayed by the vegan society who up until this point I really looked up to as a relentless advocate for animals.

But wait a minute, did I just say glue? Isn't glue in basically everything? If I want to buy a new hairbrush how do I know its using vegan glue? I suppose I could email the companies, so that's what I started doing, to this date I have emailed, phoned or otherwise contacted over 100 companies trying to get to the bottom of animal product use thus far seemingly largely ignored by vegans, because that's the other thing, if you search for posts relating to ie vegan toilet paper or where to find information about vegan packaging there is shockingly little information about this online which is part of why I'm making this post to collate my findings.

So I start emailing these companies one of the first companies I contact is Huel who respond positively they say yes our packaging is vegan we are a 100% vegan product. I continue to contact many companies most of whom either ghost or refuse to investigate saying boilerplate responses like "we don't have the certification/we can't confirm with our supply chain/customer service doesn't have that information" but I do get some early postive responses from Greggs, BarryM, Seagate, Warburtons, Oatly, littlesoapcompany.co.uk, LUSH, Linda McCartney, and to this day that is the exhaustive list of companies that have verbally guaranteed the vegan status of their entire product line's packaging (Please note time of writing is 2024 this information may be outdated if you are reading in later years), other companies were able to provide a guarantee for specific products when they asked me to specify a product.

In one case I escalated to phoning the physical head office of a grocery story company I think it was ALDI (UK) and they advised me to restate my question to customer services but give them an exact product, and I'm like what you expect me to give you a list of your own products when you know I'm asking about everything, 90% of ALDI's products are owned by the company but it turns out their manufacturing is actually contracted to many smaller companies to whom ALDI would have to contact individually to find out about the packaging material. OK fair enough, so I continue to phone ALDI customer service until they eventually say "if it says vegan on the product then the packaging is vegan too" that remains to date my biggest win.

At some point during this process I also learned that plastics contain stearic acid as a slip agent which can be derived from vegetable fats but is instead often derived from "tallow" (flesh) https://veganfoundry.com/is-plastic-vegan/ https://www.pishrochem.com/blog/en/stearic-acid-and-the-plastic-industry/ or as a plasticity agent like this one used in PVC https://bisleyinternational.com/how-is-calcium-stearate-used-in-pvc/ (honestly theres so many plastic additives it wouldn't surprise me if there were more derived from animals)

I would soon learn from correspondence with PZ Cussons and their brand Carex - an ostensibly vegan friendly brand when you look at the sheer number of their soap products certified by the vegan society - that the process of using tallow in plastic packaging production is "common unfortunately, throughout the industry" for a diverse range of plastics PP, PE and MDO.

So I continued getting red-pilled, I learned tyres can be non vegan for the same reason, wallpaper, wood veneer, ceramics (they can use bones https://www.ethicalglobe.com/blog/what-is-vegan-pottery) and then I started bringing it up to online vegan friends and I was surprised to learn that few if any were aware of this, which is why I've taken to borrowing Humane Hancock's term "Vegan Blindspot" (originally in reference to the problem of wild suffering)

My goal's for this post are 3

  1. Raise awareness to the utterly entrenched nature of animal products in our society (how many times have vegans unwittingly commodified animal flesh by using plastics or glues or paper?)
  2. Encourage vegans to follow me in contacting customer support teams to demand action so that the notion of non vegan toilet paper etc can be a thing of the past and to that end:
  3. Begin a conversation about how best to share our findings (perhaps ultimately in pursuit of a community operated database split by world regions), I have contacted doublecheckvegan and plantbasednews with this information and offers to provide my email records neither have replied

I don't use lemmy very often in fact I made this account just to post this but I will check in to the state of this post for a while and if I don't respond here I will create a simplex address you can contact me through (simplex is the most private secure and anonymous open source messenger that I'm aware of better than briar and cwtch and session and matrix)

I will end by posting the only FAQ page I have ever seen confirming the vegan status of a product lines packaging as well as product: https://support.whogivesacrap.org/hc/en-au/articles/11902182808217-Are-your-products-vegan

edit: related cool and good news: the first cardboard packaging company to be officially certified by the vegan society https://www.smurfitkappa.com/uk/products-and-services/packaging/vegan-certified-packaging the first book to be certified by the vegan society ie that the paper adhesives and inks are vegan: https://www.vegansociety.com/news/news/vegan-trademark-registers-book-materials-world-first

edit 2: idea for a preliminary community vegan product status database: member submitted posts on a moderated simplex room containing a list of what they've found to be vegan so far and then an attached zip file for email proof or whatever other proof

edit 3: useful list of items and materials that may not be vegan including items I didn't talk about above: Reference: plastic is not always vegan https://veganfoundry.com/is-plastic-vegan/ ; https://www.pishrochem.com/blog/en/stearic-acid-and-the-plastic-industry/ ; https://bisleyinternational.com/how-is-calcium-stearate-used-in-pvc/ paper is not always vegan https://veganfoundry.com/is-paper-vegan/ ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sizing inks/dyes are not always vegan https://veganfoundry.com/is-ink-vegan/ ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_dye glues are not always vegan https://bitesizevegan.org/is-glue-made-from-horses-vegan-glue/ Ceramics/Pottery are not always vegan: https://www.oxfordclay.co.uk/blog-1/blog-post-title-one-2ess6 Tyres are not always vegan: https://veganfoundry.com/are-tyres-vegan/ Various arts and crafts tools are not always vegan like pens pencils brushes paints crayons chalk https://chompthis.com/ingredient/?id=773 https://doublecheckvegan.com/vegan-art-supplies/#veganchalk Makeup brushes are not always vegan: https://ethicalelephant.com/vegan-makeup-brushes/ Shaving brushes and razors are not always vegan: https://vegan.com/beauty/shaving/

Household Products

https://doublecheckvegan.com/guide-to-vegan-household-products/

Art Supplies

https://www.artsupplies.co.uk/blog/the-ultimate-guide-to-vegan-art-supplies-for-conscious-creatives

Musical Instruments

https://vegantheoryclub.org/post/475246

Simplex Contact https://simplex.chat/contact#%2F%3Fv=2-7&smp=smp%3A%2F%2FUkMFNAXLXeAAe0beCa4w6X_zp18PwxSaSjY17BKUGXQ%3D%40smp12.simplex.im%2FADxWlMmoMmzsMG8isEJ_l_w9fnE7wh4N%23%2F%3Fv%3D1-3%26dh%3DMCowBQYDK2VuAyEAZnCpc3cQa4VLOwxhQ8TW5n8jQsspX3OeRSBxmn-F9k0%253D%26srv%3Die42b5weq7zdkghocs3mgxdjeuycheeqqmksntj57rmejagmg4eor5yd.onion

Edit 2025.01.23 Companies/brands that have confirmed either publicly or privately that their product packaging is vegan (contact simplex link above for receipts)

Huel 2024 Greggs 2024 Oatly 2024 Warburtons 2024 Linda McCartney 2024 LUSH 2024 littlesoapcompany 2024 whogivesacrap 2024 The Good Roll 2025 BarryM 2024 Seagate 2024

Edit 2024.11.29: Added a second source on animal products in paper

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Horizontal market segmentation is a strategy that allows a company to create and market products tailored to different consumer segments without necessarily changing its core business practices or cannibalizing their own sales. In the context of a large meat producer such as Tyson Foods, this means offering plant-based (or otherwise animal-free) product lines alongside its traditional meat products. By adding a vegan-friendly offering to their portfolio, the company can appeal to conscious consumers seeking plant-based alternatives, all while continuing to invest heavily in, and profit from, the more lucrative animal-exploitation side of their operations.

https://www.crmbuyer.com/story/howard-moskowitzs-horizontal-segmentation-secret-sauce-70817.html

https://stevebizblog.com/how-to-crush-the-competition-with-horizontal-segmentation/

At the heart of this approach is the desire to capture as large a share of the overall market as possible. Rather than risk losing vegan or flexitarian consumers, meat producers roll out vegan product lines. To the average shopper, this might suggest that the company is evolving toward a more sustainable or ethical model. In reality, however, these new "vegan" brands function primarily as a safeguard: they protect the company’s bottom line against a growing demographic that avoids or reduces meat consumption.

Crucially, companies deploying this tactic rarely allow plant-based offerings to substantially affect, let alone undermine, the primary business model—raising and killing animals for food. Instead, they leverage profits from both segments, using revenue from their new vegan products to offset any dips in meat sales, while still expanding their existing meat-focused infrastructure. As a result, these companies maintain (and often grow) their overall market share and keep the broader system of animal exploitation firmly in place.

For vegans, this underscores a fundamental challenge: relying on non-vegan brands to “fix” the problems inherent in animal agriculture often falls short. While a new vegan product range launched by a big meat company may be convenient or widely accessible, it usually does not represent a philosophical or operational shift away from exploiting animals. Instead, it reinforces the company’s goal of capturing every possible consumer segment to bolster its profits. Those funds can then be reinvested in the company’s meat operations as well as its plant-based lines. The net effect is that rather than truly diminishing the market for animal-based foods, this horizontal expansion effectively allows the firm to profit from both sectors simultaneously—maintaining and growing the status quo in the process.

Consequently, the rise of “vegan lines” from traditional animal-based companies can be a double-edged sword. On the one hand, more plant-based products reach more people—especially in mainstream venues—potentially normalizing a vegan diet for a wider audience. On the other hand, because the underlying corporate structure remains unchanged, the profits generally feed back into large-scale animal exploitation. In light of this, vegans should argue that genuine progress requires direct action and rebuilding supply chains dedicated to dismantling the animal agriculture system at its roots—rather than expecting established meat corporations, venture capital and start ups with the intent to sell out to transform entrenched businesses simply by adding a vegan label.

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cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/19546251

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/19544996

English machine translation below.

French

Action Antifouchiste

Puisqu'il semble que personne n'est au courant on va tirer les choses au clair quant au réseau dégueulasse qui se cache derrière @infolibertaire.net

Ce site pille littéralement tout contenu militant dans le but d'agréger un maximum de trafic et afin d'attirer les internautes dans un réseau mis en place et géré par un seul mec basé au canada.

Plus de 30 sites constituent le réseau fondé par un certain"Anarchoi".

Le plus connu c'est le site de VPC Ni Dieu Ni Maître qui semble faire des profits mirobolants.

Mais attention hein une part des profits sert la cause. T'achète pas un tee-shirt dégueulasse, produit à bas coût dans des conditions lamentables. Non tu achètes un acte de solidarité !

C'est plus qu'un simple teeshirt c'est un acte de solidarité chaque achat permet de lever des fonds pour faire des dons aux mêmes causes que vous défendez

Car une partie du pognon est reversée à une organisation appelée No Gods No Masters (gerée par le même petit malin), orga qui reverse ensuite sous forme de dons à différentes causes en toute opacité bien sûr.

Or... Il se trouve que parmi les causes financées on retrouve la galaxie de sites fondée et administrée toujours par Anarchoi.

Votre teeshirt financé plus de 100 groupes militants Chaque achat récolte des dons mensuels à des initiatives comme info libertaire offrant un hébergement web non commercial sur des serveurs écologique et aidant les militants à construire une présence en ligne

Soutenez la scène punk

Nos teeshirt soutiennent financièrement les plus grandes communautés punk et plateforme de streaming musical comme pirate punk et d'autres outils essentiels aidant les groupes à promouvoir leurs albums

Site qui pille le contenu d'artistes des scènes indépendantes (ou pas) qui ont un grand succès chez les "jeunes ados rebelles", très friands des tee-shirts vendus par Ni Dieu Ni Maître.

C'est l'économie circulaire. Tu ratisses un max des visiteurs sur tes sites en pillant le monde militant et les artistes, pour flécher ton public vers ton site de VPC qui en retour finance l'infrastructure de ton réseau.

Afin de pouvoir offrir gratuitement des milliers de téléchargement là communauté devait trouver un moyen de payer ses frais d'opération sans recourir à des publicités

Anarchoi est célèbre pour son management toxique de ses équipes de modération comme pour l'agressivité légendaire contre toute personne qui ose remettre en cause ses pratiques dégueulasses. En bref fuyez tout ces sites de merde.

Avec le pognon engrangé, ce faux collectif annonce héberger un centaine de sites militants (c'est faux) qui se révèlent pour tous ceux qu'on a pu trouver en tout cas, être les vitrines du même anarchoi. Il va jusqu'à se faire passer pour les fédérations anarchistes locales.

Dans le réseau on retrouve notamment :

  • anarcho-punk net
  • Pirate punk
  • Quebec underground
  • Forum libertaire
  • Punk download
  • Punks and skins
  • Anarchist quotes
  • Et tout un tas de faux website de fédération anarchiste reproduit en un dizaines de langues.

On sait pas si le montage juridique de son réseau lui permet de défiscaliser les dons. Ou au moins de faire baisser ses bénéfices. Bref tout ça mériterait une enquête approfondie. Si y a des motivé·es hésitez pas à nous contacter. Merci à @doujar.bsky.social

Liste des sites du réseau Anarchoi.

Ne vous étonnez donc pas de trouver des contenus antisémites, transphobes, ou du HB. Y a zéro filtre tout est automatisé. Anarchoi la politique c'est juste son business. Screen du site info libertaire

L'idéologie de l'identité de genre est profondément mysogine et homophobe

Le réseau Ni Dieu Ni Maître / No Gods No Masters s’articule autour de plusieurs sites web multilingues qui constituent la plateforme de vente en ligne. Chacun reprend le slogan anarchiste « Ni Dieu ni Maître » dans une langue différente. On dénombre cinq sites principaux interconnectés Ces sites présentent un contenu similaire (catalogue de vêtements, même modèle économique) adaptés à chaque langue, avec une promotion commune : « Livraison gratuite/Free shipping », « coopérative de vêtements éthiques », « chaque vente contribue à des dons pour des causes », etc..

Un visiteur peut naviguer dans sa langue sans être redirigé vers un autre domaine, chaque version étant sur un domaine dédié

Aucune redirection externe apparente n’est visible pour l’utilisateur lors de la commande, mais en back-end les commandes sont transmises à la plateforme Spreadshirt Ces sites sont de simples vitrines : ils proposent des designs et gère le site web, mais n’a pas de stock propre ni d’atelier d’impression. Ce fonctionnement « zéro inventaire » est assumé dans leur communication (« zero inventory, zero waste »)

Concrètement, lorsqu’une commande est passée sur un des sites, c’est Spreadshirt qui la prend en charge en coulisses : Spreadshirt assure l’impression des t-shirts, la livraison au client et gère également les paiements. 100% dropshiping En 2010 un t-shirt était vendu 14,99 $ via la boutique Pirate-Punk/No Gods No Masters, dont 8,90 $ revenaient à Spreadshirt, laissant environ 6 $ de bénéfice net par t-shirt pour “Anarchoi"

La "coopérative" se présente comme « à but non lucratif » et met en avant ses dons, mais il n’y a pas de statut légal clair affiché (pas de n° d’association ou coopérative déclaré publiquement sur le site, ni de rapport financier détaillé). Elle recueille des fonds sous l’étiquette “non-profit” sans cadre légal : les acheteurs pourraient croire à une obligation formelle de donation, là où il s’agit d’un engagement moral unilatéral.

Autant vous dire...

Le catalogue de No Gods No Masters puise largement dans l’iconographie militante, les logos de mouvements, les images d’artistes ou de groupes de musique engagés... Un “pillage” culturel contraire à l’éthique DIY ... Pillage généralisé des petites distro, artistes indépendants, etc, sur les plateformes de téléchargement illégaux qui servent de produits d'appel pour les boutiques. Évidemment aucun site ne comporte de mentions légales, pas de noms de société, et le whois protégé par des services d'anonymisation.

Les sites de VPC affichent des labels du type « 100% vegan – PETA Approved » sur ses produits. Il faut noter que ces certifications proviennent en réalité de... Spreadshirt La réalité les teeshirt de marque "fruit of the loom" sont fabriqués au Honduras...

Comme le dit anarchoi "plus qu'un simple teeshirt", une arnaque bien ficelée. Il existe une possibilité que derrière ce modèle se cache un schéma, hypothétique, d’optimisation fiscale.

Le site de VPC (NGNM) génère des revenus via la vente de t-shirts. Ces revenus sont normalement imposables s’ils sont déclarés en tant qu’activité commerciale NGNM effectue des “dons” à des associations militantes affiliées.

→ Ces dons sont enregistrés comme des charges d’exploitation ou dépenses caritatives, ce qui peut potentiellement réduire le bénéfice imposable L’asso "militante" reçoit les fonds et les utilise pour financer ses propres projets ou ses sites web. Si l’asso est déclarée comme organisme d’intérêt général au Canada, elle peut délivrer un reçu fiscal permettant au donateur de déduire ce montant de ses impôts. L’argent revient indirectement dans le réseau géré par Anarchoi. Si ces associations financent des sites du réseau notamment en payant l'hébergement (Pirate-Punk, Libertaire . net, etc...), alors l’argent circule sans réellement quitter le contrôle du même groupe Là on est dans le domaine de l'hypothèse, mais cependant vu l'opacité organisée par l'administrateur de cette galaxie de sites, on peut s'attendre à tout. Et puis c'est pas comme si par le passé il avait pas déjà été pointé du doigt pour ramasser des dons afin de payer l'hébergement et les serveurs de ces sites de piratage de contenus, alors que les fichiers étaient stockés sur megaupload où d'autres plateformes..

English

Action Antifouchiste

Since it seems no one knows, we're going to clear the air about the disgusting network behind @infolibertaire.net. This site literally plunders any activist content in order to aggregate maximum traffic and attract Internet users to a network set up and managed by a single guy based in Canada.

More than 30 sites make up the network founded by a certain "Anarchoi."

The most famous is the mail-order site Ni Dieu Ni Maître (Neither God Nor Master), which seems to be making huge profits.

But be careful, a portion of the profits goes to the cause. You're not buying a disgusting t-shirt, cheaply produced in appalling conditions. No, you're buying an act of solidarity! It's more than just a t-shirt; it's an act of solidarity. Each purchase raises funds to donate to the same causes you support.

Because a portion of the money is donated to an organization called No Gods No Masters (run by the same smart aleck), an organization that then donates to various causes, all in complete secrecy, of course. However... It turns out that among the funded causes are the galaxy of websites founded and still managed by Anarchoi.

A site that plunders the content of artists from independent (or not) scenes who are very popular among "young rebellious teens," who are very fond of the T-shirts sold by Ni Dieu Ni Maître.

It's the circular economy. You rake in as many visitors as possible to your sites by plundering the activist world and artists, to direct your audience to your mail-order site, which in turn finances your network infrastructure. In order to offer thousands of free downloads, the community had to find a way to cover its operating costs without resorting to advertising.

Anarchoi is famous for its toxic management of its moderation teams as well as for its legendary aggression against anyone who dares to question its disgusting practices. In short, run away from all these shitty sites. With the money it's made, this fake collective claims to host a hundred activist sites (it's false), which, according to everyone we've been able to find, at least, turn out to be the showcases of the same anarchoi. He even goes so far as to impersonate local anarchist federations.

The network includes:

  • anarcho-punk net
  • Pirate punk
  • Quebec underground
  • Libertarian forum
  • Punk download
  • Punks and skins
  • Anarchist quotes

And a whole host of fake anarchist federation websites reproduced in dozens of languages.

We don't know if the legal structure of his network allows him to deduct donations from taxes. Or at least reduce his profits. In short, all this merits a thorough investigation. If anyone is interested, don't hesitate to contact us.

Thanks to @doujar.bsky.social

List of Anarchoi network websites.

Born So don't be surprised to find anti-Semitic, transphobic, or HB content. There are zero filters, everything is automated. Anarchist politics is just his business.

The No Gods No Masters network is structured around several multilingual websites that constitute the online sales platform. Each uses the anarchist slogan "Neither God nor Master" in a different language. There are five main interconnected sites.

These sites present similar content (clothing catalog, same business model) adapted to each language, with a common promotion: "Free shipping," "ethical clothing cooperative," "each sale contributes to donations for causes," etc.

A visitor can browse in their own language without being redirected to another domain, as each version is on a dedicated domain.

No apparent external redirection is visible to the user when ordering, but in the backend, orders are transmitted to the Spreadshirt platform.

These sites are simple showcases: they offer designs and manage the website, but they do not have their own inventory or print shop. This "zero inventory, zero waste" approach is reflected in their communications.

In concrete terms, when an order is placed on one of the sites, Spreadshirt handles it behind the scenes: Spreadshirt prints the t-shirts, delivers them to the customer, and also handles payments. 100% Dropshipping

In 2010, a t-shirt sold for $14.99 via the Pirate-Punk/No Gods No Masters store, $8.90 of which went to Spreadshirt, leaving approximately $6 net profit per t-shirt for "Anarchoi." The "cooperative" presents itself as "non-profit" and highlights its donations, but there is no clear legal status displayed (no association or cooperative number publicly declared on the website, nor any detailed financial report). It raises funds under the "non-profit" label without a legal framework: buyers might believe it's a formal obligation to donate, when in fact it's a unilateral moral commitment. In other words...

The No Gods No Masters catalog draws heavily on activist iconography, movement logos, images of activist artists or bands... A cultural "plundering" that runs counter to DIY ethics

... Widespread plundering Small distros, independent artists, etc., on illegal download platforms that serve as loss leaders for stores.

Obviously, none of the sites have legal notices, no company names, and the WHOIS is protected by anonymization services.

Mail-order sites display labels like "100% vegan - PETA Approved" on their products. It should be noted that these certifications actually come from... Spreadshirt

The reality: "Fruit of the Loom" brand T-shirts are made in Honduras...

As anarchoi puts it, "more than just a T-shirt," a well-crafted scam.

There is a possibility that behind this model lies a hypothetical tax optimization scheme.

The mail-order site (NGNM) generates income through the sale of T-shirts. This income is normally taxable if declared as a commercial activity.

NGNM makes "donations" to affiliated activist organizations. → These donations are recorded as operating expenses or charitable expenses, which can potentially reduce taxable income.

The "activist" association receives the funds and uses them to finance its own projects or websites.

If the association is registered as a public interest organization in Canada, it can issue a tax receipt allowing the donor to deduct this amount from their taxes.

The money indirectly flows back into the network managed by Anarchoi. If these associations finance sites within the network, particularly by paying for hosting (Pirate-Punk, Libertaire.net, etc.), then the money circulates without actually leaving the control of the same group.

This is hypothetical, but given the opacity organized by the administrators of this galaxy of sites, anything can be expected. And it's not as if he hadn't already been singled out in the past for collecting donations to pay for the hosting and servers of these content piracy sites, while the files were stored on Megaupload or other platforms.

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Welcome to the Vegan Theory Club Weekly Megathread!

Questions of the week: (Feel free to answer one, both, neither, or posit your own!):

  1. What's something that's good that's happened to you lately?
  2. What made you join lemmy?

Feel free to talk about anything, whether it’s vegan-related or not. This is a chill space for connecting, sharing ideas, and supporting each other; however, please keep in mind: vegans only, and we abide by the Anarchist Code of Conduct.

Be kind to all Earthlings! 🌱💙

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Welcome to the Vegan Theory Club Weekly Megathread!

Questions of the week: (Feel free to answer one, both, neither, or posit your own!):

  1. What is a recent piece of media you've enjoyed lately? (e.g. books, art, games, music)
  2. Did you discover tofu after becoming vegan? how long did it take?

Feel free to talk about anything, whether it’s vegan-related or not. This is a chill space for connecting, sharing ideas, and supporting each other; however, please keep in mind: vegans only, and we abide by the Anarchist Code of Conduct.

Be kind to all Earthlings! 🌱💙

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Welcome to the Vegan Theory Club Weekly Megathread!

Questions of the week: (Feel free to answer one, both, neither, or posit your own!):

  1. What is a new meal/ recipe you tried recently and how’d it go? (thanks @WhereDidMySpinachGo)
  2. What is your latest hobby?

Feel free to talk about anything, whether it’s vegan-related or not. This is a chill space for connecting, sharing ideas, and supporting each other; however, please keep in mind: vegans only, and we abide by the Anarchist Code of Conduct.

I'll post a quick update on things as a comment to this post shortly!

Be kind to all Earthlings! 🌱💙

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As of today I cancelled my recurring donations to Lemmy and will start the process of winding down my involvement with the server.

There is another recurring 130/6 month donation I can't figure out the account to, oh well. It will probably bill until that card expires lol. I hope you put it to good use D

I'll be honest, I don't like most of the posts or users I've come in contact with outside of the vegans. Some stars are around and I appreciate all of you and hope that you find enjoyment and use in the instance as long as it stays up. If people like it then I'll keep hosting it, if it goes dead I'll cancel it.

Instead of being an alternative to Reddit, this has become concentrated Reddit. It isn't fun, it is often upsetting and mostly infuriating. I have been on Lemmy since 2020, my first account being lemmy.ml/u/HamidPayaamAbbasi then hexbear.net/u/HamidPayaamAbbasi and I think I've had enough. The Hexbear vegan struggle sessions was a delight compared to what my experience on this platform and its power users have become so instead of complaining much more about it I'm just going to change my engagement and switch things up. Between deranged shut in users on lemmy.world, the loser in West Virginia, the people who think military defense contracting is hilarious and awesome on sh.itjust.works to the straight up manipulative abusers like Sunshine, I'd rather just be out. Have fun on your drama communities and standing up for the liberal order against anyone to the left of you. Great work, I'm sure you're going to really beat them in your election this time. The liberals won. Enjoy your moronic circlejerk. See ya.

Some upcoming changes:

  1. I'm only going to post to c/homecooks, to be honest this is the only thing I want to be involved with.

  2. The instance will stay online for a bit but I won't be posting the megathread or in any other communities. If someone else wants to take this over that is fine

  3. I'm launching veganhomecooks.com a pixelfed instance, the lemmy community will exist to promote that and I will cross post my food, will encourage other people to do the same

  4. I'm inviting users to create an account on pixelfed to share our meals and stuff about cooking and vegan home making.

The entire intent of vegan home cooks was always to be about what vegans actually eat and to encourage people to make their own food with local affordable ingredients.

Death to America

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Just FYI, [email protected] used to be [email protected] who deleted her account when she made ~~everyone mad about vegan pets~~ banned lots of people from a community and had the admins step in as the mod of lemmy.world/c/vegan and is an abusive person who misrepresents me and this community.

What kind of person pretends to be someones friend online, asks them about their day and tries to help them out then when they have a disagreement with someone, instead of talking to them like a human uses an alt [email protected] to post about that person and smear them then uses alts to manipulate the votes in that thread. Goes on to smear me and my instance for weeks in different comments. Then wonder why I'm angry and upset. This is a terrible thing to do to someone. Even on this very thread they came in with a previously unbanned alt [email protected] to manipulate the votes.

This person is seriously unhinged and should sign out of Lemmy and get therapy.

Enjoy their low effort spam across all your communities!

Edit: Ralimba, I just banned more of your alts, All I want is for you to never mention this community or vote in our threads, you clearly couldn't do that, thanks for the new feature with some of the biggest losers in the world like PugJesus. You're banned, don't create new accounts to participate, just leave us the fuck alone. Sign out and get a life.

also:

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

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Welcome to the Vegan Theory Club Weekly Megathread!

Questions of the week: (Feel free to answer one, both, neither, or posit your own!):

What’s a recent book you’ve enjoyed reading?

Feel free to talk about anything, whether it’s vegan-related or not. This is a chill space for connecting, sharing ideas, and supporting each other; however, please keep in mind: vegans only, and we abide by the Anarchist Code of Conduct.

Be kind to all Earthlings! 🌱💙

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Between 3000 BCE and 1800 CE there were more than sixty ‘mega-empires’ that, at the peak, controlled an area of at least one million square kilometres. What were the forces that kept together such huge pre-industrial states? I propose a model for one route to mega-empire, motivated by imperial dynamics in eastern Asia, the world region with the highest concentration of mega-empires. This ‘mirror-empires’ model proposes that antagonistic interactions between nomadic pastoralists and settled agriculturalists result in an autocatalytic process, which pressures both nomadic and farming polities to scale up polity size, and thus military power. The model suggests that location near a steppe frontier should correlate with the frequency of imperiogenesis. A worldwide survey supports this prediction: over 90% of mega-empires arose within or next to the Old World’s arid belt, running from the Sahara desert to the Gobi desert. Specific case studies are also plausibly explained by this model. There are, however, other possible mechanisms for generating empires, of which a few are discussed at the end of the article.

No article to link, so let me explain:

Turchin, who studies history in a more data-science way, found that empires in the past 4000 years seem to pop up in pairs, likely as a result of the escalating arms race between agriculturalists and pastoralists. Pastoralists are used to mobility and trade (using animals for transport); agriculturalists use less land, but still have the tendency to expand for land and to secure trade routes. Obviously, expanding trade means more capital accumulation, and that applies to both. Pastoralists tend to rely on trade as they don't live off a "carnivore diet", but raise the "living stocks" as capital to grow wealth via trade.

The conflict is ancient and ongoing in many parts of the world, usually found as "farmer-herder conflict" in the literature.

Unrelated to the article, this is how I'm interpreting the ongoing war in Sudan, for example.

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Eating animal products is analogous to the oppressive and unjust actions by powerful humans upon other humans.

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Welcome to the Vegan Theory Club Weekly Megathread!

Questions of the week: (Feel free to answer one, both, neither, or posit your own!):

  1. What questions should be asked for the future weekly megathreads?
  2. What fun projects have you been working on lately?

Feel free to talk about anything, whether it’s vegan-related or not. This is a chill space for connecting, sharing ideas, and supporting each other; however, please keep in mind: vegans only, and we abide by the Anarchist Code of Conduct.

Be kind to all Earthlings! 🌱💙

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Welcome to the Vegan Theory Club Weekly Megathread!

Questions of the week (Feel free to answer one, both, neither, or posit your own!):

Which genres of music do you most enjoy listening to?

What was the last concert you went to?

Feel free to talk about anything, whether it’s vegan-related or not. This is a chill space for connecting, sharing ideas, and supporting each other; however, please keep in mind: vegans only, and we abide by the Anarchist Code of Conduct.


Be kind to all Earthlings! 🌱💙

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Welcome to the Vegan Theory Club Weekly Megathread!

Questions of the week (Feel free to answer one, both, neither, or posit your own!):

  1. Which fields of science are you particularly fascinated by, and can you tell us a niche or exciting tidbit relating to it?
  2. What is your favourite vegetable(s)?

Feel free to talk about anything, whether it’s vegan-related or not. This is a chill space for connecting, sharing ideas, and supporting each other; however, please keep in mind: vegans only, and we abide by the Anarchist Code of Conduct.


Checkout some of our underrated communities:

Vegan Circlejerk

For vegan memes in general as well. New community, so it might not be federated yet!

[email protected]

The Bee Hive

bzzzzzz.... bzzzz

[email protected]


Be kind to all Earthlings! 🌱💙

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Welcome to the Vegan Theory Club Weekly Megathread!

Question of the week:

What are you doing to stay warm if you are in the northern hemisphere? What are you doing to stay cool if you are in the south? Any seasonal activities you're getting into?

Feel free to talk about anything, whether it’s vegan-related or not. This is a chill space for connecting, sharing ideas, and supporting each other.

Looking forward to hearing what everyone’s up to!

We abide by the Anarchist Code of Conduct

Vegan Home Cooks Discord

Vegan Theory Club Discord

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EDIT: Nevermind. I found the homecooks community here. Plenty of good eating to be had there. I should have explored around before I posted here. That and the vegan cheat sheet in the side bar pretty much answers my questions. I'll keep this post up just in case other newbies come here. (unless mod wants to delete)

Hey guys, sorry if this is a stupid question.

I plan on doing my research too, but thought I'd ask here since I just signed up.

I'm new to vegan lifestyle. Was meat eater most of my life, until turning vegetarian 6 months ago.

Now going full vegan. I'll eventually go to raw vegan, but that's gonna take some more planning, so I'm baby-stepping.

Anyone have a go-to meal for workout days?

I'm naturally skinny, so getting enough calories to grow is a bit of a pain. Back in my meat days, it was pretty easy.

Now I'm having a harder time. I have Huel-brand Vegan options, so I've been working with that. And it works, but just wondering if you guys had any fun ideas.

And if you fuckers permaban me on my first day for asking this, Imma be pissed! (kidding! Ok, not really)

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Kinda interesting stuff, yet more evidence that non humans engage with the world in complex manners. Although they seem more interested in the real than the abstract.

Neat.

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Welcome to the Vegan Theory Club Weekly Megathread!

Question of the week:

What is your favorite uncommon fruit? Also what are some good megathread questions?

Feel free to talk about anything, whether it’s vegan-related or not. This is a chill space for connecting, sharing ideas, and supporting each other.

Looking forward to hearing what everyone’s up to!

We abide by the Anarchist Code of Conduct

Vegan Home Cooks Discord

Vegan Theory Club Discord

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