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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Whats the deal with plant based company's being all "no GMO!" (hey look guys we use more water to make food!) i don't understand how that's an advertising point. Capitalism is weird.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

In the US and Mexico the reason people choose non GMO is because they GMO the crops to be Round-up (Glyphosate) immune then dump extra chemicals on the crops to kill weeds instead of using other methods. Glyphosate has a lot of known really bad effects. I think they should just say that though instead of scare mongering against any sort of known GM. That said GM is rarely used for good things, 95% of GMO grops are round up ready and not good things like new species with natural higher yields or golden rice.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Some folks believe gmos are like some sort of bill gates, infect you with nanobots thing. It's not capitalism, it's just crazy.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I actually hate the term "plant-based" so much. It's completely meaningless and it's just there to burn us for believing it means "vegan food". What ever happened to "vegan-friendly"?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I felt like they were synonymous? Have you experienced instances where something claiming "100% plant-based" was not "vegan-friendly"? And in what country was that?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Australia. I've seen things with egg be called "plant-based". There's no regulation for plant-based products (at least, last I checked).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-12/how-is-plant-based-diet-different-to-vegan-vegetarian/102957508

“Plant-based can mean anything that a company wants it to.”

You're not the only one here (Aus) that's been burned by this.

https://vegantheoryclub.org/post/409797/952911

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I guess it means vegetarian-friendly then?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Probably, but I wouldn't count on that for certain. It seems to just be a marketing label more than anything else.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Not necessarily. There are non-vegetarian animal products that could be included in a recipe that markets itself as "plant-based", e.g. gelatin, rennet, etc. It could even include a small amount of actual meat and say it's plant-based because it uses plants as the base of the dish. "Plant-based" is not a regulated term anywhere that I know of. I could sell a steak as "plant-based" by saying the cow was grass-fed. That advertising would probably not get me anywhere by way of customers, but it'd be legal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

If you mean ovo-lacto vegetarians then yeah, that's not how most of our neighbours down here understand vegetarian.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well at the very least OP's picture :(

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

OH... I'm not-going to lie, I genuinely thought OP was being serious for a second, and that the comment reply was just about the term plant-based being questionable. (/srs)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I love it because I take it to mean definitely not vegan

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What does "upcycled" mean in the context of food? It sounds like they're saying "here's the ugly B-grade stuff we would normally sell for animal feed or industrial uses, but let's polish it up and sell it to humans!"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

sounds like its scraps from the factory floor honestly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that's basically exactly it. Nothing really wrong with it, but it is kind of just a marketing gimmick. Basically the same as calling something like Spam "Upcycled pork"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

marketing undermines the sacred.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The package is advertised as 100% plant based which is not vegan, so i don't think they are saying that wildflower honey is harvested without intermediaries.

Good example of why plantbased as a term is literally worthless though

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

well my joke was that the intermediary is the bee! lol It is funny how people don't think of honey as an animal product, yet it is literally vomited up by an animal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

My understanding is veganism is about consent. If the bees are getting paid it’s okay to eat honey.