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Hi, quick question about the website, which is evolving quite fabulous.

The page is operated and sponsored by a German company Hanseatic Bits UG (haftungsbeschränkt) & Co. KG .

I'm wondering: what the philosophy behind the project is? How is the funding taking place? What will happen to the crowd-sourced data and the joint effort? Don't get me wrong, but putting effort in a closed source database that belongs to a company, which then claims the copyright of said database (German Urheberrecht), is something I would like to discuss upfront.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (23 children)

Thanks for your kind words and thoughtful questions! :)

Here’s the quick breakdown:

Why a Company?

In Germany, liability protection is essential for any public project. Using an existing company (a common practice) minimizes personal risk. Many projects operate similarly - they just don’t always highlight their legal structure. We’re transparent because the law requires an imprint, not because we’re "corporate".

Data Ownership

Public facts (e.g., product/company names) can’t be copyrighted. Contributors' data remains public knowledge. We only claim copyright on our own original content and creative work. We also double-check all hints submitted and then create the complete data set.

Why Not Open Source?

We respect open-source ideals but saw other projects struggle with clutter/inefficiency. We opted for a focused, curated approach to keep the database simple and user-friendly which seems to work exactly as intended based on your and other users' feedback.

Why Not Non-Profit?

First of all, we started the project overnight and therefore opted for an existing structure. German non-profits require heavy paperwork and oversight - overkill for a small, revenue-free project that we already invest a lot of time in but want to limit the financial spending. Also: No donations = no risk of mismanagement, which unfortunately happens left and right in the non-profit world.

Therefore personally what I would care about as a user or contributor:

  • How are donations used (if any)?
  • How is the revenue used (if any)? There could be great reasons to generate revenue to further grow the project!
  • Is there transfer of ownership of work that can actually be copyrighted if I contribute?
  • Why is it a company and not a non-profit?

Our Intent

This is a passion project:

  • To support a cause we care about.
  • To learn and experiment with new technology.
  • To offer a streamlined database that follows our vision.

Hope this helps and can be used as a reference in the future as these valid questions came up before and we answered them via other channels in the past.

Although nobody asked here yet: We went with .net as whatever we thought was a catchy name was not available in the .eu domain space. We obviously would have chosen .eu if it was available but people registered all those domain names to then not use same as it often happens on the Internet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (14 children)

Hi Thanks for the thorough answer.

the rough imprint regulations are known. But by choosing a firm over a non-profit or a natural person (e.g. with Impressums-Service) will always raise the questions like: what you are planning for. A company is by definition profit-oriented. Also the personal risk with this project is not a good argument, any legal debate with a company would have you to change or delete an entry, before actual money is involved. On the other hand, if a company really wants to pull through and sues you, you are liable with company deposit (beschränkte Haftung). Anyhow, this isn't you being transparent, but ordinary legal stuff.

Data Ownership Public facts (e.g., product/company names) can’t be copyrighted. Contributors’ data remains public knowledge. We only claim copyright on our own original content and creative work. We also double-check all hints submitted and then create the complete data set.

I believe this isn't quite right, as you can protect databases with re-arranged data or at least the effort put into re-arranging the database (bei geringer Schöpfungshöhe): https://www.ra-plutte.de/rechtlicher-schutz-von-datenbanken-alles-wichtige-im-ueberblick/ I don't know (or actually care) if that is already enough to for example sell a database.

Why Not Open Source? We respect open-source ideals but saw other projects struggle with clutter/inefficiency. We opted for a focused, curated approach to keep the database simple and user-friendly which seems to work exactly as intended based on your and other users’ feedback.

Does that exclude going open-source in the future, e.g. when the curated database is mature enough? I mean, you could for example just release the data, without having people to edit it. But then again you invested so much time into vetting the user contributions, that this would be a hard choice to make.

Why Not Non-Profit? First of all, we started the project overnight and therefore opted for an existing structure. German non-profits require heavy paperwork and oversight - overkill for a small, revenue-free project that we already invest a lot of time in but want to limit the financial spending. Also: No donations = no risk of mismanagement, which unfortunately happens left and right in the non-profit world.

There are also good counterexamples. Also the project could be moved to a an already existing non-profit organization, so there would be no money involved in founding. (E.V.s haben wir in DE ja schließlich genug :-). The proper ones all work with transparency reports to justify the money flow. I imaging being a company makes donations more cumbersome with the balance sheets and tax office.

This is a passion project: To support a cause we care about. To learn and experiment with new technology. To offer a streamlined database that follows our vision. Hope this helps and can be used as a reference in the future as these valid questions came up before and we answered them via other channels in the past.

All the answers don't sound like a long-term solution to me. It's' more like a pet project which can be dropped at any moments notice. Or even worse, if you decide to turn your page into an affiliate marketing gig or an ad-hell to cover the server costs...

Although nobody asked here yet: We went with .net as whatever we thought was a catchy name was not available in the .eu domain space. We obviously would have chosen .eu if it was available but people registered all those domain names to then not use same as it often happens on the Internet.

Yea. Scalpers. I checked some domains (for a fediverse instance) by myself and found it quite agitating, what is already taken and should be sold for several 10K.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the long response which I quickly skimmed.

To cut it short: We opted for this route, are very happy with the result, the feedback and the contributions. You may choose not to contribute or start your own project (as you already checked domains) but we are happy the way it is. The more overhead we generate (new structure, open source), the higher the possibility of failure and wasting money. Right now it's a slim and streamlined project that has little to no costs of running which means we can leave it running for decades to come (if there is still demand). The manual labour is still there but as it's a passion project, we want to invest that time but into the project and not into solving problems we don't face. In the end we are an efficient operation and not a German Behörde. :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Good answers.

I never spoke about an own competing project. I just wanted to know what your long-term plans are, and obviously there are none. So we just have to use it as is and as long as it’s available. Fine withe me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Long term: Proceed with improving the database as we do everyday and see where it takes us with minimum overhead to guarantee longevity. So far so good. :)

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