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Thanks for telling me what I just said in my comment people already told me a million times, I guess? 🤷♂
Yeah yeah, "if we don't kill you then Russia will". Heard that one too many times from the good guys as well :)
Yet nobody was able to show me how people were wiped out in the liberated territories (Crimea, Melitopol, etc.), how millions of us living in Russia were wiped out, etc.
Again, you don't get to make a surprised pikachu face when you are literally telling people whom you are trying to kill that they are Russian bots.
Thank you Mr. Zelensky for ensuring Ukraine stays free and independent country!
Shooting and droning people protesting against your rule and ~~kidnappings~~ lawful mobilization efforts is totally justified and democratic, because Ukraine is fighting for its survival and everybody who disagrees is an enemy of the free world and definitely deserves to be shot and droned!
- had wartime conscription, and 2) executed deserters
Neither of that is what I asked you for (come on, you even quoted my reply in you reply - "massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country", and then you proceeded to give an example of a completely different thing (also awful, but completely different)).
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Or do you know better how conscription worked in the WWs off the top of your head?
I don't. But surely you do, as you're trying to portray what happens in Ukraine as normal, so I am asking you to tell me about it.
Okay, then surely you can show me a shittone of examples of such a massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country because they are needed as cannon fodder that happened in modern history (let's say last two centuries)?
Both are effectively the same thing, a citizen pressed into service, against their will.
So "you cannot leave the country and will be kidnapped and forced to die a horrible death on the front lines" is the same as "you can freely leave the country but if you don't you will have to do forced labour in military uniform for a year".
Got it.
I can see I'm not going to succeed in changing your mind.
You are trying to tell me that it's good (or at least justifiable/normal) that Zelensky wants to murder me, my friends my family and several million other people who happened to be born in Ukraine. Obviously you are not going to change my mind :/
Maybe look some stuff up. Especially when it comes to conditions in russia
What stuff are you suggesting me to loop up? While I personally never visited Russia, I have close friends from Russia, several others who visited it, so I know from "first-hand" sources what's it like there.. (More or less the same shithole as Ukraine, but without kidnapping and with ability to leave)
That's literally what conscription means in legal terms
No. Conscription is you get summons and have to do military service (which is also totally wrong but a different thing). If you refuse you get sent to jail. You can simply leave the country if you don't like that.
What happens in Ukraine is kidnapping random people off the streets (who are forbidden from leaving the country), putting them into vans and sensing them to die.
Conscription is done in preparation for "mass kidnappings of cannon fodder", as you put it.
No?..
Russia has conscription but not kidnapping part and forbidding to leave the country part. So do many other countries.
OP doesn't ask for "unmoderated" instance though, they are explicitly asking for an instance that "takes moderation seriously". Moderation is absolutely not the same thing as censorship.