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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

A completely unmoderated instance [...]

OP doesn't ask for "unmoderated" instance though, they are explicitly asking for an instance that "takes moderation seriously". Moderation is absolutely not the same thing as censorship.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Thanks for telling me what I just said in my comment people already told me a million times, I guess? 🤷‍♂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah yeah, "if we don't kill you then Russia will". Heard that one too many times from the good guys as well :)

Yet nobody was able to show me how people were wiped out in the liberated territories (Crimea, Melitopol, etc.), how millions of us living in Russia were wiped out, etc.

Again, you don't get to make a surprised pikachu face when you are literally telling people whom you are trying to kill that they are Russian bots.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Thank you Mr. Zelensky for ensuring Ukraine stays free and independent country!

Shooting and droning people protesting against your rule and ~~kidnappings~~ lawful mobilization efforts is totally justified and democratic, because Ukraine is fighting for its survival and everybody who disagrees is an enemy of the free world and definitely deserves to be shot and droned!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago
  1. had wartime conscription, and 2) executed deserters

Neither of that is what I asked you for (come on, you even quoted my reply in you reply - "massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country", and then you proceeded to give an example of a completely different thing (also awful, but completely different)).

https://files.catbox.moe/djn0pv.MP4

https://files.catbox.moe/96w41t.MP4

https://files.catbox.moe/22e2r2.MP4

https://files.catbox.moe/zturkj.mp4

https://files.catbox.moe/rnm5of.mp4

https://files.catbox.moe/icvneg.mp4

Or do you know better how conscription worked in the WWs off the top of your head?

I don't. But surely you do, as you're trying to portray what happens in Ukraine as normal, so I am asking you to tell me about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Okay, then surely you can show me a shittone of examples of such a massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country because they are needed as cannon fodder that happened in modern history (let's say last two centuries)?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Both are effectively the same thing, a citizen pressed into service, against their will.

So "you cannot leave the country and will be kidnapped and forced to die a horrible death on the front lines" is the same as "you can freely leave the country but if you don't you will have to do forced labour in military uniform for a year".

Got it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can see I'm not going to succeed in changing your mind.

You are trying to tell me that it's good (or at least justifiable/normal) that Zelensky wants to murder me, my friends my family and several million other people who happened to be born in Ukraine. Obviously you are not going to change my mind :/

Maybe look some stuff up. Especially when it comes to conditions in russia

What stuff are you suggesting me to loop up? While I personally never visited Russia, I have close friends from Russia, several others who visited it, so I know from "first-hand" sources what's it like there.. (More or less the same shithole as Ukraine, but without kidnapping and with ability to leave)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That's literally what conscription means in legal terms

No. Conscription is you get summons and have to do military service (which is also totally wrong but a different thing). If you refuse you get sent to jail. You can simply leave the country if you don't like that.

What happens in Ukraine is kidnapping random people off the streets (who are forbidden from leaving the country), putting them into vans and sensing them to die.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Conscription is done in preparation for "mass kidnappings of cannon fodder", as you put it.

No?..

Russia has conscription but not kidnapping part and forbidding to leave the country part. So do many other countries.

 

Ukraine is winning

 

So now they literally gas people and try to put them on fire.
Liberals seem to be still fine with it, no red lines for Zelensky's regime.

The video the article is talking about: https://files.catbox.moe/5b5cdm.mp4

 

I left the original title, but a more accurate one is "Ukrainian soldiers (which were most likely kidnapped from a street and sent to this meat grinder) are now tortured by Ukraine".

A Ukrainian version of the article contains a better description of the events: "beaten until organs ruptured, skull bones fractured and kept in cages".

 

Ukrainian member of parliament describes country's military leadership as slave owners.
He is an ex member of Zelensky's political party btw.

I couldn't find an English version of the article unfortunately, so please use a translator.

BTW, he also tells a very "funny" joke about "70% of Ukrainians supporting the war till the last Ukrainian, and the rest 30% are living in Ukraine".

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