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Thanks for telling me what I just said in my comment people already told me a million times, I guess? 🤷‍♂

Yeah yeah, "if we don't kill you then Russia will". Heard that one too many times from the good guys as well :)

Yet nobody was able to show me how people were wiped out in the liberated territories (Crimea, Melitopol, etc.), how millions of us living in Russia were wiped out, etc.

Again, you don't get to make a surprised pikachu face when you are literally telling people whom you are trying to kill that they are Russian bots.

Thank you Mr. Zelensky for ensuring Ukraine stays free and independent country!

Shooting and droning people protesting against your rule and ~~kidnappings~~ lawful mobilization efforts is totally justified and democratic, because Ukraine is fighting for its survival and everybody who disagrees is an enemy of the free world and definitely deserves to be shot and droned!

1. had wartime conscription, and 2) executed deserters

Neither of that is what I asked you for (come on, you even quoted my reply in you reply - "massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country", and then you proceeded to give an example of a completely different thing (also awful, but completely different)).

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Or do you know better how conscription worked in the WWs off the top of your head?

I don't. But surely you do, as you're trying to portray what happens in Ukraine as normal, so I am asking you to tell me about it.

Okay, then surely you can show me a shittone of examples of such a massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country because they are needed as cannon fodder that happened in modern history (let's say last two centuries)?

Both are effectively the same thing, a citizen pressed into service, against their will.

So "you cannot leave the country and will be kidnapped and forced to die a horrible death on the front lines" is the same as "you can freely leave the country but if you don't you will have to do forced labour in military uniform for a year".

Got it.

I can see I'm not going to succeed in changing your mind.

You are trying to tell me that it's good (or at least justifiable/normal) that Zelensky wants to murder me, my friends my family and several million other people who happened to be born in Ukraine. Obviously you are not going to change my mind :/

Maybe look some stuff up. Especially when it comes to conditions in russia

What stuff are you suggesting me to loop up? While I personally never visited Russia, I have close friends from Russia, several others who visited it, so I know from "first-hand" sources what's it like there.. (More or less the same shithole as Ukraine, but without kidnapping and with ability to leave)

That's literally what conscription means in legal terms

No. Conscription is you get summons and have to do military service (which is also totally wrong but a different thing). If you refuse you get sent to jail. You can simply leave the country if you don't like that.

What happens in Ukraine is kidnapping random people off the streets (who are forbidden from leaving the country), putting them into vans and sensing them to die.

Conscription is done in preparation for "mass kidnappings of cannon fodder", as you put it.

No?..

Russia has conscription but not kidnapping part and forbidding to leave the country part. So do many other countries.

Cuba

1. I said "countries that are considered "good" and "democratic"" by the west. Does Cuba fit that definition now?
2. "Conscription" - that's not what am I talking about though. Conscription (which is also absolutely wrong of course) is indeed present in a lot of countries. Mass kidnappings of cannon fodder that is not allowed to leave is quite unique to Zelensky's regime.

Russia has mandatory military conscription. If they want to send you to war, they can, and will, paid or unpaid. Is this news to you? The laws are in place, but Putin is avoiding them for fear of national backlash.

Why this would be news to me, and how is this relevant to out conversation? In Ukraine people are forbidden to leave the country so that they can be kidnapped off the streets and used as cannon fodder. In Russia neither is happening.

and russias economy is eating itself alive to be able to keep paying fighters more and more

Yeah western medias are talking for three years now about an imminent economic collapse of Russia and every time it doesn't happen, but instead it becomes a fourth largest economy in the world...

It's a vicious cycle that's going to culminate in involuntary conscription being the only option left to keep invading

See, you are speaking speculation again (which might or might not happen, I don't know, I can't see the future). While I am telling you facts (about closed borders, kidnappings, etc. that do happen in Ukraine but not in Russia).

and I am absolutely certain, will, send people to die against their will.

Speculation again.

And it is "happening again" right now. Last time, it was Georgia.

What exactly happened in Georgia? Russia helped South Ossetia become independent of Georgia, and did not conquer Georgia (which is apparently the goal of an evil Putin who dreams about conquring the world, accorsing to western media) despite its army being a striking distance away from the capital?