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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

I said "countries that are considered "good" and "democratic"" by the west. Does Cuba fit that definition now?

I honestly don't know that much about Cuba, seems like country much like any other that has trouble because of a difficult neighbor and making the best of it? But if we're talking about whether mandatory military service is sometimes justified, not whether mass media is biased (duhhhhh), perceptions held by the majority are inconsequential.

"Conscription" - that's not what am I talking about though. Conscription (which is also absolutely wrong of course) is indeed present in a lot of countries. Mass kidnappings of cannon fodder that is not allowed to leave is quite unique to Zelensky's regime.

Conscription is done in preparation for "mass kidnappings of cannon fodder", as you put it.

Edit: Also kudos for not trying to defend ethnic Russians' history of ethnic cleansing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Conscription is done in preparation for "mass kidnappings of cannon fodder", as you put it.

No?..

Russia has conscription but not kidnapping part and forbidding to leave the country part. So do many other countries.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Conscription is done in preparation for "mass kidnappings of cannon fodder", as you put it.

No?..

...yes? Or do you think the countries with peacetime conscription do it for shits and giggles, and the massive economic benefit of half the population losing about a year of working life?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay, then surely you can show me a shittone of examples of such a massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country because they are needed as cannon fodder that happened in modern history (let's say last two centuries)?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

surely you can show me a shittone of examples of such a massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country [...] that happened in [...]let's say last two centuries?

I'll just give you a partial list of European countries that 1) had wartime conscription, and 2) executed deserters, in WW1 or 2, which would indicate an equally/more drastic "kill or be killed" choice, and is way easier to find. Or do you know better how conscription worked in the WWs off the top of your head?

  • Britain and the Commonwealth
  • France
  • Germany
  • Italy
  • Soviet Union (estimated around 150 000 executed in WW2, including returned POWs executed for "desertion")
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago
  1. had wartime conscription, and 2) executed deserters

Neither of that is what I asked you for (come on, you even quoted my reply in you reply - "massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country", and then you proceeded to give an example of a completely different thing (also awful, but completely different)).

https://files.catbox.moe/djn0pv.MP4

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Or do you know better how conscription worked in the WWs off the top of your head?

I don't. But surely you do, as you're trying to portray what happens in Ukraine as normal, so I am asking you to tell me about it.

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