Assertive : comicstrips

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 81 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I would argue its more how much you're a part of the in group. Compared to a man a woman is in the out group. Compared to a white woman a black man is in the out group. The person in the outgroup is just the aggressive one. Gender is only one dimension IMO.

[+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That depends on the make up of the group just as much as the make up of the person

Your white male KKK neighbour isn’t assertive

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's why I generalized it based on the in and out group dynamics.

I am unsure of the point you are trying to make.

[+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Your post focuses on people being in the out group

It comes off as racist/sexist

Compared to a man a woman is in the out group. Compared to a white woman a black man

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry those statements offend you cause you can't understand the point I'm trying to make Go enjoy some boobies and feel better. Or don't.

[+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

You don’t have to apologize, just in the future don’t paint minorities as outsiders

It normalizes hate

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure good job talking over minorities tho.

[–] inbeesee@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It's a good point that we shouldn't passively describe them as outsiders. The problem about that is the original post is criticizing that society sees women as aggressive rather than assertive for the same behavior. The comment you have a problem with is not condoning that point of view. It's pointing out that the problem goes beyond gender and happens to those seen as 'outsiders'.

They're trying to add nuance to the post.

[+] TheBat@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

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[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 7 points 11 months ago

Or Short-Man Syndrome. I have a 6'4" friend who used to joke about SMS, until I pointed out several men we know who behave the same way, but are tall, and asked what syndrome they have. Kudos to him, he started seeing the discrimination, and now uses his "tall privilege" in group discussion settings to direct attention to the short members when the group ignores/talks over them.

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Make you being short their problem when they make it yours. Hot potato that shit

[–] stardustpathsofglory@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This must be the worst copied image ever. The mouse pointer is visible, the artists name it cut. Why not just show the whole picture like here https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-148723203/view ?

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 points 11 months ago

At least most of the artist's name is still visible, I've seen a lot of comic posts that completely remove it.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wat?

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

The joke is they both wore pajamas to work.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Boomer humor/"everything I don't like is woke" humor

[–] atro_city@fedia.io -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe, but I'd like to understand the joke / "joke", if there's anything to understand. It could be just "hurdur, I insulted them by saying gender because they're young" or maybe there really is some kind of reasoning.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I’m confused, is this talking about the grillies or the kitchenettes?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Now I need some answers, what's those terms??

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago

The stereotype goes that men grill and women cook. “Grillies” looks like “girlies” at first glance, establishing subversion

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Lol

So a man punching someone in the face is just assertive? Never knew that.

[+] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There’s way more nuance to that, even off the top. Men are absolutely allowed to have a voice as seen by all the male dominated spaces. The big issue is whether you are punching up or down. It’s why conservative comedians are such failures, all their jokes target marginalized people with crass stereotypes and unfounded nonsense, and they leave the stage to continue acting on those ideas.

In those too few spaces where men are actually held accountable then yes, they are seen as aggressive. Part of the issue is that the male idea of “being ignored” these days is completely off-balance and you can see that so starkly in the outrage whenever we aren’t the center of attention in media. And then we get told this and our first reactions are to get extremely defensive, followed by many continuing to be defensive.

Men are not the victims here; we started it and are unwilling or highly resistant to sharing the space we got too comfortable in while women and minorities were left outside.

[+] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It sounds very much like mostly live in circles where people would be accepting of who you are, and those people would also be the ones who would make space for and encourage women and minorities.

The comic is referring to how women too often get called “dramatic”, “too sensitive”, or “hysterical” when they are justifiably mad at something. As far as the powerful people in the western world are concerned women are aggressive and disruptive and men are simply standing their ground. The idea is that sure they’re weak and whatever…until they argue with a man in power or not in power but still very insecure about it. Makes it easy to dismiss them when they’re quiet and easy to dismiss them when they’re loud.

The damsel in distress is an old stereotype that helps reinforce that from a time when women weren’t allowed to be anything else(and honestly one can argue that we’re still in that time). Like how trans and/or gay people “didn’t exist” but actually it was more because people in power didn’t want them to be remembered. Of course women weren’t speaking up all that much, even today so many stay quiet when abused because they fear retribution, so obviously something must be wrong with them if they break from the stereotype and actually get mad. Male violence is practically celebrated, though, so it takes so much more for society to say they’ve crossed into aggression.

[+] Drusas@fedia.io -16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Anyone who downvoted this is clueless.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

I got the comic but I'm pretty clueless in general. I'm not totally sure what I'm meant to do in that case so I downvoted your comment to be safe.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Explain it to us.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 3 points 11 months ago

Women who are assertive in the workplace are described as aggressive, bitches, things of that nature. Men who are assertive in the workplace are described as confident or having leadership skills, that sort of thing.

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