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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 129 points 1 year ago (7 children)

People are arguing about autopilot being disabled during the drive, but even if it was, the emergency braking system should tried to do something.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 200 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Autopilot literally switched ITSELF off less than half a second from the moment of impact. it didn't try to stop the car, it just shut itself off so it couldn't be blamed.

Imagine if someone whipped throwing knives at your back and then tried to argue "but your honor I was not holding any knives at the time of the stabbing"

Fuck Tesla, fuck Elon, fuck every simp who shits excuses out their mouths for him

(I mean, not YOU, you aren't doing any of those things; I'm just saying, those people. In general.)

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago

It's like a pilot bailing out of a plane and then claiming he was not responsible for the crash because he was in Vegas at the time the plane crashed.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

it's always been doing this. it's so that they claim AP wasn't active during the crash and evade liability

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AP is supposed to disable itself if a fault or abnormality is detected. Pretty much all advanced cruise control systems do this.

I don’t think it’s fair to say the car was hiding evidence of AP being used unless it was intentionally logging the data in shady way. We’d need to see the logs of the car, and there are some roundabout ways for a consumer to pull those. That would probably be an interesting test for someone on YouTube to run.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

These systems disable right before a crash because the national traffic safety org in the US requires manufacturers to report if these systems were engaged during an accident.

It is not for safety or because of a malfunction, it's for marketing. Car companies dont want the features that they sell for 3-8k coming up all the time in crash statistics.

Tesla is the biggest offender here, likely due to vehicles sold, but also due to their camera only system and their aggressively false "full self driving" and "autopilot" marketing that far over promises.

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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 100 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mark did an interview with Philip Defranco and posted raw footage showing/explaining that Autopilot turned itself off instead of hitting the brakes.

They also did two takes, it did the same thing both times. The first time, they just used a poster instead of a full foam wall. They decided to add the foam for a better visual once they realized it would just happily plow through it.

Finally there's some argument of Autopilot vs FSD; but both rely on the same cameras and should have at least tried to brake. The LIDAR car braked and it was just using emergency braking, no self driving at all.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It shows they didn't even watch the video. The only reason Mark used autopilot was because without it the car failed the simplest test.

The test was with a kid being in the middle of the street and Tesla didn't even stop in time.

https://youtu.be/IQJL3htsDyQ?t=9m38s

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

It shows they didn't even watch the video.

Of course they didn't. Musk fanboys are an echo chamber of morons worshipping a Nazi oligarch. They're quick to react, and they dismiss evidence and facts if it doesn't suit their narrative.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I watched some Tesla-sympathetic youtuber for balance and here are the key points brought up:

  1. He had a death grip on the wheel (because y'know, he knew he was going to crash). Exerting enough force over time on the steering wheel disables autopilot, because the system assumes you want to manually override what it's doing.

  2. FSD apparently is much more capable, but this Tesla only had the common AutoPilot turned on. Despite having FSD available (Mark apparently claimed he didn't know he could turn it on without adding a destination)

  3. Mark might have some sort of sponsorship deal with the LIDAR company featured in the video, which is why LIDAR was shown in a much better light (e.g it was shown stopping for a dummy behind the water spray, but in reality a LIDAR based system would just brake for the water spray itself)

Now all of those might be true, but you're also correct in that the emergency braking system should be operational even when AP is disabled. Unless the system malfunctioned (just having a dirty camera is enough). I know my Subaru throws out the adaptive cruise ALL the time. Stupid camera based system. You'd think it's better off because the cameras are at the top of the windshield, compared to most cars front grille mounted radars, but nah, it just keeps turning off.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

They are free to peer review the test and do it with all the stuff enabled.

That is how science works.

But I doubt they will, since this is an inherent problem with using camera vision only. Not with the software of the car. And they most likely know it.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 105 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I love that they had pre-cut the styrofoam wall in a cartoony hole shape because they knew it was going to happen.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 65 points 1 year ago

From following video with raw footage they initially used a poster, but seeing that Tesla would just plow through it they built the styrofoam wall for a better effect.

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[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 81 points 1 year ago
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

This is from Mark Robers YouTube Channel.

Credit where credit is due.

Mark Robers is fucking awesome, btw. He does all sorts of fun STEM things and keeps it interesting for kids and adults.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

I also like how this particular video pissed off Tesla AND Disney.

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know, with how distracted your average Tesla driver is, I'm pretty sure this would trick them even with them "driving" with AP on.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Pyrotechnics included.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

FSD was promised but never delivered because they need lidar for rain/snow/etc weather.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My old m3 has lidarr, but the fucker shut it off because he's an epic nazi fucker.

[–] jdeath@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i was confused that you meant a BMW M3. I owned one for a few years. I guess less common than Model 3's

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah when I hear M3 I'm thinking BMW for sure.

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[–] Decq@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The FSD promise was mostly just market manipulation. Sure they might actually get it done at some point. But the time line they proposed was just a scam. And it worked seeing the market cap.

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's weird, an optical sensor should fall for this, but LiDAR detects objects in 3D.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Teslas famously don't use lidar because Musk declared that cameras were good enough. Reality disagrees, but reality owns no shares of Tesla.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Musk declared that cameras were good enough

And then disabled existing lidar sensors in teslas, so his team could just focus on camera vision only

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[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yea, to my understanding Tesla does not use LiDAR and that's the issue. They just use cameras I think. Other people posted videos in this thread: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJL3htsDyQ

I can't be bothered to care/watch anything Tesla related, but apparently the lack of lidar is the thing being tested.

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The first ten minutes is him "sneaking" in a small lidar unit to Disneyland be using it to make 3d models of the ride path. That's pretty fun.

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[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they’re not much bigger than 2 meters.

[–] patak@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AP aside, worst car manufacturer.

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

And people are pissy about it. Tesla sucks. Grow up

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see an opportunity to target Teslas exclusively

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