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[–] OrloNorppa@sopuli.xyz 137 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

"If you don't like it you can leave" is such a shit argument that I keep hearing, the whole point of democracy is that if you don't like it you are allowed to complain and vote to change the situation. Implying someone doesn't have the right to complain or change an existing system is just how fascism works...

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Fun Fact (or maybe a "Not-so-fun" Fact): The US government can revoke a person’s Naturalization if the government thinks you are a “terrorist” within 5 years of Naturalization:

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization. In general, a person who is involved with such organizations cannot establish the naturalization requirements of having an attachment to the Constitution and of being well-disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.

The fact that a person becomes involved with such an organization within five years after the date of naturalization is prima facie evidence that he or she concealed or willfully misrepresented material evidence that would have prevented the person’s naturalization.

Source: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2

[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Exactly. I tell folks all the time one of the most patriotic things you can do is protest for change.

[–] Sibshops@lemm.ee 71 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Now they are deporting people legally in the US who didn't break any laws.

It's not even about deporting illegal immigrants anymore.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It never was. It's always been about oppression.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

With Fascists it's always the same playbook: start with an easily demoniseable minority and over time extend it to the rest.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 weeks ago

I wish I could remember the book I read that deconstructed fascism. One of the key components of fascism is an ever concentric cone of who is in the in group vs the out group.

The goal is not fascism but cronyism. That's why fascist governments never last longer than a few decades.

When wealth and power are concentrated in a small group of people, they become easy targets to a growing angry population. People begin to realize they have nothing left to lose and will begin revolting.

Here in the US, we haven't quite reached that point yet but I suspect we'll get there within 20 years.

[–] rarWars@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

- Frank Wilhoit

[–] Gelcube69@reddthat.com 32 points 4 weeks ago

So many “yeah but... “ comments on all these posts about someone arrested without a warrant and deported with no legal pretense at all. Pathetic boot licking behavor. Pick a side or get out of our way.

[–] rockettaco37@lemmy.world 32 points 4 weeks ago

This is the right wing. You can't expect to have a logical argument with them.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Fun fact, the US government can revoke a person's Naturalization if the government thinks you are a "terrorist" within 5 years of Naturalization:

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization. In general, a person who is involved with such organizations cannot establish the naturalization requirements of having an attachment to the Constitution and of being well-disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.

The fact that a person becomes involved with such an organization within five years after the date of naturalization is prima facie evidence that he or she concealed or willfully misrepresented material evidence that would have prevented the person’s naturalization.

Source: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2

As a US Citizen that has Derivative Citizenship, this is honestly terrifying. Its one of the reasons I'm too afraid to protest. I don't want to end up stateless.

If I was a white US-born Citizen, I might be more willing to protest.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization.

  1. It's funny they still act like communist parties are a threat in 2025
  2. I wonder if and whenever the Republican party will be marked as one.
[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck it, update the law to include the MAGA cult. Apparently Hispanic communities are not beyond that brainwashing.

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[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 21 points 4 weeks ago

Imagine thinking not abridging free speech means that you can’t go after press/people that are knowingly lying.

Like, no, this is not what free speech means. Scientific fact are no opinions. You can only have the opinion that a scientific fact was not an scientific fact at all, but as soon as it is scientifically proofed that this is not the case, it is no opinion anymore, but just a wrong statement.

[–] NovaOG@lemm.ee 16 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

They want people to "follow the rules", but see the "rules" change every day, depending on what mood the rulers are in. It also depends on the color of your skin to them, if its not white, you're always breaking the "rules" no matter what.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 weeks ago

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

[–] LonstedBrowryBased@lemm.ee 14 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

“We the people. . .” yah sure magat

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 weeks ago

People: definition in america: Anyone who has south or mid english ancestrys and holds land + has an income of high income

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, obviously the "we" means it only applies to us, not to them.

/s for avoidance of doubt.

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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 weeks ago

Freedom is always the freedom of the obedient.

Purple Belgium

[–] Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I've learned in hearing conservatives talk about the ammendments, that they can only count to two. So long as they start at two.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

They never agree with you when you cite the 8th

[–] LucidLyes@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Freedom of speech for me but not for thee is exactly how dictatorships work. These people will claim America is the greatest nation on earth while completely omitting that it attained that status by defeating people like them.

[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

for many "Free Speech " is when YOU are free to express MY point of view.

not yours.

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago
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