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Ngl this is what every single one of you fucking liberals calling me out about my substandard research practices makes me feel .

—— And you know like to be clear I am saying that as like that’s a Me problem. I need to figure out how the fuck to be able to accept criticism or none of this is gonna get to a point where it’s worth Jack.

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 month ago

This is why the right wing loves the poorly educated.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I had a similar run in with a friend who grew up in mid-western PA who had never heard of red lining and refused to believe that something like that happened in this country. He hopped on the crazy conspiracies train around the time COVID and I haven’t talked to him since.

I genuinely think that a lot of these “great again” folks don’t understand what things were like “back then” and that all this social progress actually happened. It’s sad.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You don't need to worry about whether your thoughts are accurate. These people quite literally don't know how anything works. They're at the "ignorant enough to be dangerous" part of the dunning-kruger curve. Intelligent people don't solidify opinions about topics they've never researched, and know nothing about. They don't consider Fox News or their social media bubbles as research. They change their opinion based on evidence.

I don't think I've ever seen someone on the MAGA spectrum of mental illness produce anything resembling a sound argument.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"Jim Crow? You mean like the character from Dumbo?"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Yes, literally!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lead character from cult film classic "The Crow"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Jesus Christ that’s Jim Crow!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"That's lEfTiST hiStORy"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

AKA CRT

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sounds like a classic, white washed Ivy League educational experience for the likely nepo-baby NYT reporter.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

white washed Ivy League educational experience

The education at Ivies isn’t significantly different from the rest of higher ed. They even use the same cafeteria vendors. The primary difference is tuition.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

And the tuition is a way to exclude (with few exceptions for publicity sake) "the poors" from entering. This way the capitalist elites can keep living in their bubbles and use it as a means of making connections to further their businesses

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

The other likelihoods being poor middle/high school history programs/teachers due to decades of neglecting our educational system and devaluing teachers.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

New York Crimes

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

is that interview actually out there? can i see it?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

No, they surely would not lie, especially Online! Online is free of lies, don't you know??

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

i don't believe you the nyt would never do tha

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I had a discussion with a leftist - again, this is true - and told them about the famines in the Soviet Union and Maoist China. Said they'd have to independently verify that famines happened in socialist countries because it sounded like I was pushing a specific agenda.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

My experience with ml users is they either deny it because this one book somewhere, or they say famines are good for the economy (yes, line goes up argument).

For context I'm European so extreme left already of any political patry in the US. As in "universal Healthcare and free education" radical.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Well you can always chat with the entire other school of thought for socialists: “Yeah, what you’re laying out about genocide is accurate. It was a FAMINE. That is what a Famine means. Now use that methodology to analyze the societal context and motivations of any other famine that doesn’t rely on testimonials from Nazis as the core of its evidence.”

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sounds super real and like it definitely happened

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Whenever I see a story that seems far fetched, I try to think about it more broadly.

Was it a NYT reporter who hadn't heard of Jim Crow laws? Maybe, could've been a nobody intern who grew up in the South. Besides that, I fully believe this conversation has occurred with an ignorant person, if not a NYT reporter.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I grew up partially in the absolute middle of nowhere texas. We still learned about jim crow there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oklahoma here, we definitely learned about it too.

But take like the Tulsa Race Massacre. I grew up hearing it called the Tulsa Race Riots, but I don't recall ever being taught about it in school, I heard about it from my parents. I still didn't really know much about it until several years ago. I literally grew up in Tulsa lol.

Edit: not to say I believe the story. But I think it's possible. I heard about the Massacre from my stepmom, who did a paper on it in college (mid 80s), and apparently had trouble finding a lot of different source material at the library.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That doesn't mean it's not true. From my school days, I remember heated shouting matches with other students who insisted that our teacher definitely never ever taught us "specific thing X" which they definitely did the week before, while I knew for a fact that the person I was arguing with had sat one row behind me in that very class.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My, admittedly very arcane, point was that its more of a social issue rather than a school curriculum issue, and so when you say ots because of the south and implying they werent ever attempted to be taught, it puts pressure on the wrong people. I actually think the OP likely happened

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

It can also be a curriculum issue. For example, and for clarity sake I'm not American, I could say I was taught socialism in school. Some might call it a pretty progressive topic to teach, however if we get into the details it comes out very differently. What I was taught wasn't socialism but rather the vague history of socialism culminating with the idea that socialism doesn't work. More specifically I was taught there was this guy called Marx (and Engels) who came up with a labor theory (no actual information about what the theory contained) . Marx died before he could finish his work. Engels finished some of his work but Marx's theory was continued by Lenin. Lenin started the USSR and then Lenin died. Stalin took over, then we got WW2, cold war, Stalin died, era of stagnation, Afghan war, Chernobyl and the fall of the USSR - clearly socialism doesn't work.

Nothing factually wrong was taught but also nothing about actual socialism was taught. I'm sure the same could be done about Jim Crow laws, where you acknowledge something happened but then clearly gloss over all the horrific details.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

who grew up in the South

I would expect somebody who grew up in the South to be more likely to have heard about Jim Crow than somebody who grew up in some supermajority-white place like the mountain west or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

My thinking was the people in the South would be more likely to have learned a "toned down" version, and less likely to remember details.

Definitely just my personal experience from living in Oklahoma, idk if like Alabama or Mississippi are the same.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

supermajority-white place like the mountain west or whatever

Hey that's where I'm from. But even I remember touching on Jim Crow laws in grade school, and coming back to it in more depth in highschool. So I don't mean to be the "nothing's real on the Internet" guy, but I do find it hard to believe that the term "Jim Crow" didn't even ring a bell for the reporter. But idk, there's lots of stupid people in high places, so I won't doubt that it happened either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But there is a very specific agenda here. So say to people who already think that the NYT is bad, that the NYT employs people without even the slightest understanding of history. I highly doubt this happened.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don’t downvote people for being skeptical on the internet folks, we want to encourage it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Am I doing that? Seems to me like that's getting done to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Correct, it's good to be skeptical

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe your trust of this institution is severely miss placed.

https://www.techdirt.com/2024/10/28/ny-times-gets-230-wrong-again-misrepresenting-history-law-and-the-first-amendment/

When I went looking for this there’s MANY more.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago

Yes if I don't believe something very extreme, I must believe its precise opposite. NYT is my God, and all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

...So, you think her story is too unbelievable, that the NYT would never do such a thing, and that she made it up to push a specific agenda?

Hm...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Yes, I too am sure of every idea I have