This is like the gen alpha version of “MSNBC beats out Fox as most viewed cable news network” headlines from 2017
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Yes, but that also like never happened. Fox was always dominant.
It definitely did?
Edit: apparently only for brief periods. If you consider his first term overall, Fox did dominate
I would fucking love that if it were true but it most certainly is not
https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/cable-news/
I think it was just for like a week or two so it wouldn't necessarily show up in the yearly averages in those charts.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2017/07/25/msnbc-beat-fox-because-it-covered-the-news/
Thanks for the link. It does seem that there is a correlation between News media that leans toward the minority party getting a bump in eyeballs.
I thought that was the point of the original comment, even.
I thought that was the point of the original comment, even.
Is your point that no one listens to podcasts? Because they do.
Why would he mean that? They appear to be the two most-watched cable news channels in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC
In the fourth quarter of 2023, MSNBC was the second most-watched cable news network in the U.S., averaging 792,000 total day viewers, behind rival Fox News, which averaged 1.212 million viewers, and ahead of CNN, which averaged 502,000 viewers
Also, man, that surprises me. I thought that CNN was the largest. I was expecting Fox to be second-largest and MSNBC to be in the top five or something.
Maybe I'm just really out-of-date.
Just trying to figure out what they meant. Cable news is on the downswing so that was my guess
Oh, gotcha.
Yeah, actually, I mean, I know that it was losing viewers, but I'm also kind of surprised that the numbers are that low, now that I think about it, if that's "viewers" and not "households viewing".
It looks like 2010 was the beginning of the decline.
I think I last had cable service somewhere around 2004.
Yeah I think I had cable until about 2014. But for about 8-10 years before that my cable company literally gave me a discount for taking cable with my Internet. I basically never watched it but I'm not paying extra to lose that option.
No surprise that it aligns with the proliferation of smartphones.
Pretty sure they weren't implying anything behind it, just that it is similar to what happened back then but with Fox vs MSNBC. People shifting more into left once again, will have to wait and see if it will be major shift.
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I'm just depressed that Rogan's podcast was nr 1.
Yeah, I legitimately don't understand it. I used to like his show back around 2016-2017sh time frame. Back then, he usually just had well known comedians on and shot the shit and it was funny. Hell, he'd even have cool scientists on discussing new research they were doing that he found interesting. He'd have the occasional fringe topic, e.g. UFOs, conspiracies, etc., but it was always done in an entertaining way and wasn't overly political.
I don't know what the hell happened, but around 2019/2020 he just went way to the far right and became a giant piece of shit. I haven't listened to his garbage show in years.
Money is what happened.
Same, freaking crazy. 2016-2017 it was awesome, he was actually progressive too, podcast was dope af, had all kinds of cool people on and conversations. Now it's just pathetic
Im not american, so i don't know the american lore. Was he "bought" or something? I also heard a few of his podcasts back in the day and it was pretty good.
It’s been number one for over a decade. Think about what that means for our society.
Oh hey I didn't know Meidas Touch had a podcast, I've been watching them on youtube for a while.
I just checked out their YT channel - their thumbnails and titles are moderately aggravating. They are definitely using STUPID TACTICS in order to get MORE CLICKS.
Yeah it infuriates me that that is the way to get clicks and farm veiws. A lot of the time, the content is actually good, but fuck, those stupid ass thumbnails and titles drive me insane.
Unfortunately it works. We have to remember that their methodology is the reason why they have a massive audience in the first place. So we need to distinguish the marketing from the material.
Dems could learn a thing or two from Republicans on this front.
I would assume any popular “political” podcast on either side would do this.
Any YouTube channel in general has to to some extent to simply get people to click. It's crazy how the psychology of it works, and people need to exploit it in order to just not disappear in the sea of YouTube videos.
I remember somebody talking once about why so many video thumbnails have the person's head superimposed on them, and it's because people are like 46% more likely to click on a video if it has a person's face on it than if it doesn't, even if it's the exact same video.
Funny cause I'm less likely too.
I wish I were normal human sometimes. If I see someone's face on a thumbnail and there are several capitalized words in the title, I'm just not going to watch the video. Same goes for any vertical video.
They drove me away with those tactics before I ever saw they were on YouTube. No, Donald Trump was not EVISCERATED by a tweet that he -couldn’t- -didn’t- couldn’t read, kick rocks with that dumb Avenatti hashtag resist horseshit
Everyone is doing this. To be fair I don't blame them. I ignore the titles and watch for the content.
Not everyone does, especially with the capitalization. My favourite creators generally don't do either of these things.
I will concede that the most popular channels usually do this.. but in my mind they are aiming for children and the unintelligent with their tactics. Which in turn usually turns me off their content, unless it is amazing.
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Fuck him.and allnhis bs missinformstion. He exploited ignorance to be rich.. he could care less about truth.
Not necessarily "anti-trump", just "pro-democracy". Just happens that pro-democracy is inherently anti-trump
Great to see it.
How do they count podcast downloads? Do my downloads using Audiobookshelf count?
I fucking loved listening to Joe for probably a decade, but I haven’t listened to a single ep since December.
That Trump, Vance, Gabbard, Musk run was a stunning indicator to me that he is now bought and sold, and his pods are scripted, which is a complete 180’ on why I liked him.
He used to be genuine and a centrist. Not anymore.
I am interested in why it took you that long, he has been heavily right wing long before Dec and even last year? I also used to listen to him when he was progressive, but he went full MAGA a while ago
I guess I didn’t see him as scripted or paid-for until that 4-guest GOP-a-thon, then it was blindingly obvious (and I’m not American, so I don’t even care about your politics).
I liked Joe because he never appeared to have any agenda, usually saw, or at least humoured both sides of an argument, and right or wrong (yes, he was plenty wrong), he was always at least genuine.
Now, he’s just a 3-hour long commercial.
Is it any good? MeidasTouch, that is
Their YouTube video titles are super clickbaity but the contents of the videos are very good, and not hyperbole. But the video titles, makes you want to have a service to crowd source video titles...
Oh there is one, called dearrow
That's how people click on them. I follow a science interview podcast and they hired a new producer that started changing the YouTube thumbnails to those generic dumb click bait ones.
The host says he hates it, but can't argue that whenever they make a thumbnail like that, the views are significantly higher.
In the end, you do what draws eyeballs. The content is what matters.
Can't wait to hear his response to this on the next podcast.
I can. I’ll listen to MeidasTouch’s take on his response instead.