When Mike Pence is the reasonable one, you know the timeline is fucked.
this post was submitted on 17 Feb 2025
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That's how I felt about McCain and Romney during Trump 1.0.
Overton Window damn near shattered now.
Pretty sure we're into the Overton Train Wreck at this point. We have destroyed normalcy so greatly that no headline is implausible and the fear of possible prosecution for any dissent is not unreasonable.
If I saw the headline, "Trump announces that the only meat that will be served in federal prisons is the flesh of his political enemies. " My reaction would be some sort of numb, "ah cannibalism, already?"
I guess the whole "Hang Mike Pence" thing really stuck in his craw.
The old guard Republicans are just mad the power is being taken from them.
They built this fucking monster, they get to own it. So fuck you Mike Pence, own this shit.
Nah, I'll happily take a disillusioned Republican who want to fight. The more the merrier, really. They're in no position for a redemption arc but still it's good to have them on our side right now
Why? So they can betray you at a critical junction to claim power for themselves, or so you can betray them without feeling too guilty about it?
Because you sure as hell can't work with them on any leftist projects. They have zero desire to unconcentrate the accumulated power in Washington, only to claim it for themselves.
I'm not interested in building a bridge here, it's too little too late for that.
But hearing the other team's fans booing their coach? I'm here for it.
The problem is we have to build bridges. We have to get the working classes organized to stop this. We cannot afford to turn away allies.
Build bridges with the voters, not Mike Pence or any other Republican politicians who changed sides too late.
I think the Democratic strategists said the same thing in 2024. And that's part of how we got here.
I'm not advocating for parading Pence around as one of us. Any republican speaking out against Trump is a good thing, we need the party to fracture as much as possible.
He already was essentially kicked off the party. IMO the old Republican party died with McCain.
Of course I welcome any opposition, but to MAGA Pence is perceived as another Democrat.
True but a LOT of Trump voters aren't MAGA. They voted for him the same way I've voted since 2016 - begrudgingly.
The next election would be a really good time to campaign on ranked choice/approval voting. We're reaching fever pitch with voter disillusionment.
He’s got nothing to lose and secret service protection. And he has no power to do shit to stop Trump either. He just has some shitty podcast that not one reasonable person should have to listen to.
Edit: autocorrect is shit
That secret service protection, for one. Trump's pulled protection from John Bolton and others. Maybe because he was VP it might be harder legally for Trump to revoke it, but is there anyone still enforcing laws anymore?
It's wild that like Pence the farmers, minorities, and other Trump supporters have to literally be threatened with their lives or livelihood to get the fucking message he doesn't fucking care about anyone but himself and those that benefit him in a given instant.
Bingo. He’s a classic paranoid narcissist.
If you read the article, Pence was opposed to RFK Jr because he was previously pro-choice. Pence's priorities are still deplorable.
Yes. Policy is something to criticize politicians for. But he at least comes across as someone that draws the line at the destruction of the rule of law in USA and I guess that's count for something.
2016 me never would've believed pence would wind up adamantly the enemy of my enemy
President Hindenberg and Francis von Pappen also disavowed Hitler once they realized they were never getting power back. I'm proud of Pence for realizing he helped build a monster, I just hope the Mike Pence of 80 years from now doesn't build another.
Honestly fuck both of them. Let's not pretend that pence has the average citizens interest in mind. He's looking out for himself only
I don't agree with Mike Pence on almost anything. I don't respect much about him other than his conduct during the insurrection. He refused to get whisked away in a vehicle to god knows where and stayed in the capitol where a mob wanted to hang him to certify the election. He had physical courage at the one time he needed to and that is the one thing he has done that deserves to be recognized. Otherwise fuck him.
But, but, but, the enemy of my enemy is... Well, at least a useful tool..
If that were the case, he'd just get in line to kiss the ring
Yeah but the enemy of my enemy may not be my friend but they can be useful to ally with against our shared enemy.
Pence is awful. But I'll admit, I read him wrong a decade ago. I thought he was a Christian dominionist first and likes American democracy and the constitution if he can have it as well. But when push came to shove he turned out to actually support American democracy more than Christian dominionism, a thing he definitely still believes in. He's not a good person, but he seems to not be a fascist actually, so to him I apologize for assuming him to be one based on his prior words, actions, and general vibes.
Fucking coward won't do shit when it matters, neither will Susan collins, murkowski or any of these fucking villains.
Too little too late
Enough of this defeatist "too little too late" bullshit. These comments are plagued with you fucks. We need EVERY little rock we can find to get stuck in their gears. We must move forward, so we can either accept defeat or beat back the second coming of Hitler. I don't think anyone should be shamed for fighting for what's right.
Too little too late Mike. The guy tried to have you killed and you still wouldn’t campaign against him with Kamala.
After residing in Indiana during Pence's reign, I assure you that he's no better than Trump. He's just the religious fundamentalist alternative to Trump and he's not as dumb.
This is like Lex Luther saying he’d challenge the Joker.
Both evil turds.
Fuck Mike Pence. The Republicans are not going to save us. What we need is for Democrats to challenge Trump.
Democrats are failing at that, too.
Political parties of any stripe can only slow the spread of fascism, at best. Fascism found a unique vulnerability in American electoral politics, but there are plenty of right wing authoritarian parties popping up in Europe, too. Including AfD in Germany, which should theoretically be the country most inoculated against this sort of thing.
Ground up organizing of the working class is what saves us. Political parties were only ever going to be a holding action, and nothing more.
Apparently I wasn't clear. I think Democrats are completely feckless and failing us.
You think the Democrats can stand against him? They failed spectacularly during the election and many seem stubborn not wanting to change the party platform. They aren't fighting for the average person and that's why they lost.
I agree with you. Democrats are feckless.
this smacks of a Ringwraith showing up at Helms Deep instead of the elves.
Akctchually, it was the trees of Fangorn that showed up.
Fuck Mike Pence. He's not getting a pass because he decided to do his job for a few hours one day.
To late. Unless I see him on every channel calling for the GOP to standup to the bully, I will continue to wish him ill
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Trump didn't quote it so he's taking full credit for the statement. That just shows you who we're dealing with. No couth