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[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Outdoor cat: "today I killed 300 birds and permanently altered the local ecosystem"

Indoor cat: "hehe I shit in a box"

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

And so begins a new battle in the eternal war between Americans with indoor cats and others with outdoor cats.

It's pretty difficult to actually find an indoor cat in the UK. In the US it's common.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I guess we in Finland are Americand now lol

We're more worried about the cats wellbeing though than the birds.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago

Why are Finns so worried about cats? There's always plenty of cats.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago

Of course it is difficult to find an indoor cat, you only see them inside a house.

[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Our cats are indoors. They used to be outdoors then some cunt shot one with an air rifle.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope you found the miscreant and shot them in the arsehole with a cricket bat!?

My neighbour at the time was a lovely rough diamond type with a big knife scar down his face. He said he had an idea who it might have been and was going to have words.

We moved out of that area not long after.

[–] BB69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So are all the birds dead in the UK

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nope. And the RSPB doesn't believe cats are a concern:

The UK’s largest bird charity, the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB), is not particularly concerned about the impact of cats on the British mainland.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/14/cats-kill-birds-wildlife-keep-indoors

And a Bristol study found cats kill the "doomed" weak and sick birds - not healthy birds: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1474-919X.2008.00836.x

[–] thehatfox@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Yes, according to the RSPB habitat destruction from expanding urban areas and farmland is the main threat to bird life in the UK.

When my family had a cat it would mostly catch and bring home earthworms.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And thats why the wild felines are going extinct in the british isles.

Ay, but tradition right? Fuck the natives, as is british tradition

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah the British really do have a history of royally fucking over whole eco systems. Brought rabbits to Australia thinking they would be a good food source.

Except they bred like well rabbits. And destroyed whole eco systems. So the British imported foxes to eat the rabbits. Except literally every other native species is easier for a fox to kill than a fast rabbit.

Fucking morons.

[–] Badger@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago

That's a bit of a harsh take considering it was one guy on the 19th century who didn't know better. Looking at it he brought 13 rabbits for his private estate - I don't think the science was there for extended Environmental Impact Studies back then - just some rich guy making a minor change to his place having unintended consequences so branding an entire country as fucking morons is a bit much.

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Not how cats work. Nice job getting butthurt about a funny comic on the internet, though.

And just so you can be better informed in the future. Feral cats are the ones affecting the ecosystem. Outdoor house cats have a negligible influence on wildlife. Let your cat go outside sometimes.

And, just a guess, you should probably go outside sometimes too.

"The magnitude of mortality they cause in mainland areas remains speculative, with large-scale estimates based on non-systematic analyses and little consideration of scientific data. Here we conduct a systematic review and quantitatively estimate mortality caused by cats in the United States. We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.3–4.0 billion birds and 6.3–22.3 billion mammals annually. Un-owned cats, as opposed to owned pets, cause the majority of this mortality."

Downvoting doesn't make you right and it doesn't make your cats less miserable.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thats exactly how cats work.

The comic is funny and cute, but dont get it twisted. The science is pretty firm on the destructive effects of invasive domestic cats.

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[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We have 3 indoor/outdoor cats because we've just always had indoor/outdoor cats and I never really thought about it.

Being on more cat-related Reddit and Lemmy communities, I've seen more and more of the arguments for keeping cats as indoor-only, and it's been making me think more about how to care for cats we adopt.

From what I've seen of the discussions, a lot of them seem to center around urban areas and towns, where there's a high population density. Some arguments also seem to be based off the assumption that the pets aren't spayed or neutered.

We live in the middle of nowhere and all our cats are fixed as soon as possible (we've had kittens sometimes and they stay inside until then).

Is there different logic for this situation, or is it the same advice to always keep them indoors?

I'm genuinely asking.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not all cats are killing machines but with 3, chances are at least one of them is. On the other hand, an outdoor life is probably much more fulfilling for a cat.

At a minimum, make sure they have bells around their collar so it warns the local wildlife.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Cats can learn to move without jingling the bells and they learn that fast.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unless you live in the native original range for cats, and your local region has zero automobiles, and you have no issue paying vet bills for random illness or parasite infections, then sure. Its probably not that big a risk to let your cat out unsupervised.

Brits are very arrogantly incorrect about their cat care. They are driving local wildcats extinct, and feeding their pets to local foxes, badgers, and car wheels.

You can still supplement outdoor time for your cat tho. Harness/leash training isnt too difficult, just go in areas you dont expect dog walkers. And you can also build catios, outdoor spaces that are fenced in.

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[–] beirdobaggins@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Working in the office vs working from home.

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I cannot imagine having an indoor/outdoor cat. I'd worry so much about them while they were away. And if they just disappeared and didn't return...I don't know how I could stand it.

We have 3 indoor-only cats. Obviously I'm pretty attached to them.

[–] formergijoe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The 1 to 4 billion animals killed by outdoor cats every year: X_X

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago

Not to mention all the outdoor cats that are themselves killed or horribly injured.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yup, fuck your outdoor cats.

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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Realistically, outdoor cats don't travel much. They just hang out in their neighborhood, chill in their favorite spots, etc.

Cats have their territory and that's where they spend their time, doing cat things. It's just that an outdoor cat's territory isn't limited by walls.

[–] thehatfox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

There was a BBC documentary a few years ago where they gave GPS tracking collars to a bunch of cats in a neighbourhood and tracked where they went. Each of the cats had their own territory and favourite locations.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Murder local wildlife, cause property damage to neighbors, kill neighbors pets, spread disease. Roaming cats suck, and so do their entitled owners who think that everyone's property belongs to their pet

[–] Umbraveil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

While we're at it, let's get rid of birds that shit on everything, deer that eat our gardens, raccoons that get in our trash, skunks that dig up our grass ....

[–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's entitled of YOU too think that the land, plants, wildlife, and ecology these creatures have lived off of for millennia belong to you. We all share a planet, it's not up to humans to be the arbiters of who can have what and how much and at what time etc etc .

Cats may not be sapient animals, but they are sentient.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Blah blah blah, legally your cat is your PROPERTY. And if your pet becomes my pest on MY property, it will be dealt with as such. I don't live in the wild, I live in my home on my property, keep your shit bag cat off of mine.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Cat owners who let their cats roam are irresponsible and entitled

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah, one wonders how they survived until we came along.

Cats survived before us by hunting small mammals and small birds, and they are very effective at getting fed.

The motivation at the core of naming owners of outdoor cats as irresponsible is a sharp decline in songbird populations in direct proportion to the increase in outdoor cat population.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The danger isn't to the cats, it's to everything else. Ecologically speaking, cats are an invasive apex predator. They absolutely wreak havoc on local bird populations.

[–] Sunfoil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wherever there's birds, it's irresponsible to let cats out. NZ in particular, it's a damn massacre out there.

[–] Sunfoil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In the UK, the RSPB determines no negative impacts on bird populations. And the ecosystem is irrecoverably damaged from 3000 years of human impact on a relatively small island. Unlike new colonies like NZ, USA etc.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The UK is losing its wildcat population because of british arrogance about cats.

Youre also bringing in all your local predators into human settlements with the free food that cats become. Foxes love outdoor cats, theyre easy meals. You know what else loves cats? Tires. Smears a cat like jam.

But whats another destroyed ecosystem to the brits? Yall love ruining ecosystems, may as well fill your own backyard with piss.

[–] Sunfoil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

The wildcats are in Northern Scotland. I'd be OK with the Scots banning outdoor cats.

Foxes like bins, they don't fight back.

I've seen maybe 1 domestic cat hit by a car, I've seen hundreds of hedgehogs, foxes, badgers and deer. That's not an outdoor cat problem.

It's easy to sit on a moral high horse about a country you don't really know anything about. We didn't come to this land 300 years ago. The concept of an intact ecosystem vanished about 1000 years ago. It is a completely different island. The best we can do is keep the last of our wild species ticking over.

Unlike the Americans, who exploited and continue to exploit one of the most beautiful lands in the world, when they should have known better.

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

All cats should be indoor cats

[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My cat's quality of life was dogshit indoors. She had bad allergic reactions all the time, would stop eating, Vet bills piled up with no explanations. I let her roam the neighborhood now, shes happy as a pig in shit. Her weight is stable, shes not breaking out in rashes all the time, and she entertains the neighbors. Cry me a river about all the mice and bunnies she kills.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

YOU are directly responsible for the extinction of animals. I hope you are proud of yourself.

"Cats have contributed to the extinction ofΒ 63 speciesΒ of birds, mammals, and reptiles in the wild"

[–] calavera@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

YOU, as a human, are infinitely more responsible for hundreds of extinct species so stfu

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

You do realize Humans are the one who spread cats across the globe right? The extinctions caused by outdoor pet and stray cats wouldn't have happened if human's hadnt have brought them with them you absolute ham sandwich.

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