They are going to ban themselves as protest for banning them..?
this post was submitted on 15 Jan 2025
226 points (95.6% liked)
Technology
84796 readers
3875 users here now
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Our Rules
- Follow the lemmy.world rules.
- Only tech related news or articles.
- Be excellent to each other!
- Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
- Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
- Politics threads may be removed.
- No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
- Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
- Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
- Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.
Approved Bots
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
Essentially yea, the laws enforcement mechanism as-is is just having the app delisted from app stores
Everything else is of TikToks own doing
And that’s all it should be. Currently, the US government does not have the facilities to block traffic to specific websites or IP addresses on a country-wide basis. We don’t have a “great firewall” the way China does, and we should keep it that way.
Yes it does? All it would take is a single piece of legislation and a couple of hours for all ISPs to block all traffic to certain IP ranges.
Sure, it doesn't prevent VPNs but it would block 95% of access. The remaining 5% can be blocked through banning VPNs and deep packet inspection, the latter of which doesn't require that much new infrastructure.
Idk why you are downvoted. They have that yes
Except banning vpns would kill the economy immediately. Pretty much every big corporation is utilizing vpns to facilitate their work from home infrastructure. Hell, often even internally. Not to mention state and federal governments also use them. Suggesting they could do that is a joke.
They'll just make legal carveouts for government and commercial use, and go after consumer-facing VPN providers that refuse to comply. For VPN providers based outside the US, they could delist their websites from DNS or block their IPs. They can't stop someone who's determined from finding a way, of course, but just a few simple barriers prevents most people from putting in the effort.
load more comments
(3 replies)
From what I understand, in my country OpenVPN and Wireguard work fine within the borders, but the protocols are blocked to foreign servers.
I wasn't talking about the technology behind VPNs. Every single country that "bans VPNs" still uses them commercially to some extent.
What I consider a ban on VPNs is a ban on commercial B2C VPN providers that do not comply with US legislation - meaning they'd allow customers to access banned sites.
Add the fact that pretty much all major payment providers happen to be US companies and I'd wager 99% of "normal" access could be blocked.
I said “currently”. Sure, the US could pass legislation that would require ISPs to implement that ability. I said they do not currently have that ability, and you seem to be disagreeing because it is hypothetically possible for the US to build its own great firewall. I do not want to assume your intentions but it appears you may have misinterpreted my message.
What I said is still correct. The point of my comment was that the US should not pass legislation to build a great firewall.
load more comments
(1 replies)
Actually...
I think if people in the US had the capacity for introspection and empathy we would have had a collective
are we the baddies
moment every year for the past 250y...
load more comments
(3 replies)
It was either this or self immolation
load more comments
(1 replies)
Zuckerberg is behind it, just like he was when they banned it on India. Politicians get what they want by eliminating a company that doesn't support them, Meta gets more usershare in the U.S. they can control the narrative and keep their guys in place so they don't get regulated and they get more tax breaks.
In other words, the US government exists solely to serve its wealthiest constituents.
Meanwhile China says no American internet sites in their country and I guess that’s ok for some reason.
Censorship is bad when China does it. Censorship is bad when America does it.
Same for Germany, Australia, Japan, North and South Korea.
Governments don't censor speech because they protect their citizens, they censor speech because it protects their monopoly on violence and help propagate their visions to an unquestioning audience.
who said it was ok?
load more comments
(11 replies)
Please criticize the us government for this as hard as I have been criticizing China for locking it's citizens out of the world stage with their "great firewall".
Or don't, it's not like hypocrisy doesn't get enshrined and worshipped here lmfaoooo
It's simply not even close.
load more comments
(7 replies)
A shutdown would be preferable than a sale of the active app and userbase to Elon no?
load more comments
(3 replies)
Yes TikTok, that’s what a ban is.
Yeah this just sounds like compliance with the media making it seem like a protest for clicks...
This is all theatre, trump is going to "save it" after starting the initial push to ban it (for the wrong reasons) to pretend he did something for you. Worst part is that all of the no/low info voters and non voters will eat it up.
It's the equivalent of a person pushing you into the middle of the street and at the very last second, that same person tells the drivers to all stop. "Wow, I owe you my life!"
Just fucking do it alreadyyyyyy
I'm surprised they're taking that approach rather than pushing the web version.
get a vpn (that isn't proton) now people cause it'll only get worse
How come not proton? Did they get caught with their hands in the ~~cookie jar~~ traffic logs?
CEO honestly thinks Trump and the Republicans are going to go after tech monopolies. Either he's detached from reality or he's trying to keep them from coming after Proton by cooperating. Either way is not great.
and cozying up to american gov no matter who it is just gives me bad vibes that they would happily turn over anything they want when asked
load more comments
(1 replies)
load more comments
(5 replies)
First time in years I see something not bad happen in the US
You're not looking very closely then
You got some suggestions on where to look? We're speedrunning the fall of rome over here, it's pretty much to the point that even hope is an unreasonable thing to hope for...
I meant the claim that this was somehow a good thing, and not a performative "anti-china" bill that was really about cutting out the young people's current venue for organizing against the wealthy's interests, like their criticisms of the genocide in Gaza. China will still get all that info by buying it off the hundred other apps that collect it. If they cared about the data collection, they'd have addressed all data collection.
load more comments
(2 replies)
They're shutting down instead of blocking new downloads, seems like a stunt. But the blocking of new downloads is obviously happening if SCOTUS doesn't step in...that's the law. That's just what the law says.
load more comments
(1 replies)
Do it, just do it with no second thoughts. They can't, they will lose all their business.
Hoping they shut down and open source their algorithm. They already released part of it on github, apparently, but I haven't had a chance to look at it. Would like it if I could somehow use it for a personal Loops server in the future.
load more comments
(1 replies)
view more: next ›