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There is literally 0 chance the area I live in will be blue. Does me going out and voting actually do anything besides add to the popular vote tally?

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[–] listless@lemmy.cringecollective.io 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

just under 50% of people voted in Ohio in the 2020 election.

Trump won by 8%.

If just 9% of the people who felt like you (what's the point of voting) had showed up to vote for Biden, that would have flipped the state.

No single raindrop believes it can make any difference. But together, all those insignificant raindrops can change the course of a river in a single day.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wish I could nominate your comment to be pinned to the top of responses. Alas, all I have is a single upvote; but you have it.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Each of us upvoted, making this the top comment in the thread. I voted to make a difference.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Team effort. And that's how we win.

[–] Mad__vegan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

And my Stapler!

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is EXACTLY what was in my head as I wrote the post.

[–] Sensitivezombie@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Vote. You don't have to vote for Biden or Trump, you can write in a vote or choose a third party or independent candidate on the ballot, if your State allows it. Not for the reason of making practical change, because it won't in a two party system, but to show the analytics, media, the ruling power that you don't have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Anyone that says otherwise does not know what democracy means and supports a broken system through enabling. Local votes ate more important IMO, always vote for that. The more informed you are, the less likely you are to support a broken system.

[–] whyrat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your vote is sending a signal to future elections. If Ohio has a 20-point red margin, it's unlikely to get any attention from blue candidates. If it has a 5% margin, that changes, and suddenly the next campaign considers spending time & money to try and move the needle.

Remember the old Roman adage: "you're not defeated until you admit defeat". If you don't vote: you've lost. If you vote, you might still lose that election but there's a better chance to win in the future.

[–] Lupus@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago

Berthold Brecht:

Anyone who stays at home when the war begins and lets others fight for their cause must be careful: because whoever did not share the fight will share the defeat.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Always vote. There’s always someone analyzing trends, and you don’t truly know where it’s heading until you get there.

I do somewhat understand since I moved to Massachusetts: I’ll get my preference regardless whether I vote. But it does matter, even if it’s just a trend: I was a bit disappointed Biden didn’t quite get 2/3 last time around: he won with only 65.6%. We can do better! My county only voted 71.5% for Biden and there were at least three counties better. We can do better!

At least as importantly, it does give me more freedom to vote third party, in the comfort of knowing my state’s electoral votes will all go toward the sane option. Historically we’ve had reasonably strong showings for third party candidates, but last time was only 2%

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Always vote. Progressives lose elections because 30% of any population votes for the conservative at every single election, no matter what, like it's a religion. Progressives need a culture that says: ALWAYS VOTE. It doesn't fucking matter if it doesn't fucking matter. Vote anyway. Let your kids see you voting like it's actually important. Make it important.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. Voting in federal, state, and local elections makes big differences. I've lived in red and blue states, and my votes have personally swayed policy for red and blue states. Some of the stuff I voted for passed on margins as slim as 1,200 votes, in a city of hundreds of thousands of people (guess how many of them voted?)

As a direct result of me voting, my life dramatically improved because my cut bus lines were restored, the feds rebuilt parts of my city, and people were no longer getting arrested on bullshit charges.

Further civic action saved one local park from redevelopment.

So few people actually vote, even fewer with bad takes. So voting can have a profound impact on your life and other's lives. Some of my friends got the right to marry. Some others lost their ability to access healthcare and were forced to move states to access it again. It makes a difference.

This doesn't end with Americans either. You guys worldwide have had a number of extremely close elections, see the list below. Do your civic duty and vote! It can take an hour or less with a bit of research, and has a surprisingly big impact on your life.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Vote anyway. Voter apathy is largely how things got so bad.

I'm in a similarly red state. I know my vote probably isn't going to matter (thanks, ~~Obama~~ Electoral College), but I'm going to do it anyway. And I'm trying to get as many people around me out to vote as well.

[–] ulkesh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ohio's Electoral College votes are cast for the winner of the state, not per district [1]. Of course you should vote for Biden (or whoever the ultimate candidate against Trump will be)!

[1] - "As a winner-takes-all state, the candidate that wins Ohio gets all 18 Electoral College votes.", https://www.ideastream.org/community/2020-10-21/how-are-ohios-electoral-college-votes-decided

[–] Cairden@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you, this is the kind of info I was looking for. If county/district mattered. So all of Ohio is Talley'd up and all votes from the whole state are in the same pool?

[–] Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago

All states except Maine and Nebraska tally votes cast statewide and allocate all electoral votes from that state to the winner. Specific concentrations of voters in those states aren't factored into the allocation.

[–] Smeagol666@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hello... hello... hello...

Welcome to the shit-lib Ecco chamber.

The two-party system is a fucking joke. Voting for Rethuglicans is fascist bootlicking. Voting for Democrats is just rainbow-colored fascism. Both sides just virtue signal to their base about identity politics, but change nothing fundamentally that will anger the true masters: the oligarchs who really run shit.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social -1 points 1 year ago

I bet you're fun at parties.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

As long as you have a valid ID and registered voter.. yep <3

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

voting red or blue will not change anything

until people realize there are third parties to vote for nothing will happen