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[–] DarkMessiah@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

“Whatever happened with the ozone layer panic, if scientists are so smart?”

We listened to the scientists, and the problem went away.

[–] MediciPrime@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago

Didn't go away, just stopped getting worse at an alarming rate.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

It's the same as people using the example of the Y2K bug being a non event. Yeah, because globally trillions of dollars were spent fixing it before it became an event.

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[–] GermainRobitaille@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

[–] minimalfootprint@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Y2K is similar. Most people will remember not much happening at all. Lots of people worked hard to solve the problem and prevent disaster.

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Similar with Y2K


it was only a nothingburger because it was taken seriously, and funded well. But the narrative is sometimes, "yeah lol it was a dud."

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

All this hysteria over nuclear weapons is overblown. We've known how to build them for 75 years yet there hasn't been a single one detonated on inhabited American soil. They're harmless

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I can't remember the name but I think this is some kind of paradox.

Like the preventative measures we're so effective that they created a perception that there was no risk in the first place.

[–] FractalsInfinite@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The question is, what will happen in 2038 when y2k happens again due to an integer overflow? People are already sounding the alarm but who knows if people will fix all of the systems before it hits.

[–] zik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

It's already been addressed in Linux - not sure about other OSes. They doubled the size of time data so now you can keep using it until after the heat death of the universe. If you're around then.

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Finally it'd be the year of desktop linux with all the windows users die off

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I think everything works in windows but the old windows media player. You can test it by setting the time in a windows VM to 2039.

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[–] Ugurcan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

TBH “The whole world agreed on something” narrative doesn’t really reflect what happened.

Actually, The Industry dropped using CFC after a cheaper and luckily safer alternative has been discovered right around that time.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The fact is, most companies are fine to let an existing system run rather than replace it with one that has a cheaper consumable thing, provided they can still get that consumable and the cost of replacing that system is high.

Basically, corps would have kept buying and using CFCs because replacing the refrigeration system is too costly.

Not only was an alternative found that was cheaper and safer and almost as good (as effective), but scientists and engineers put in the effort to find ways to adapt existing systems to the new working fluid. All for significantly less than replacing the system.

Not only was a replacement found, but it was made economically viable for widespread deployment in a very short timeframe; not just having a short development time, but also a very short duration to deploy the new solution to an existing system.

You're right, that it was cheaper and everything, but most of the time changing the working fluid of a refrigerator/air conditioning unit, will require that the system is replaced. They worked around that. Additionally, you're correct that it was industry that made the change and pushed it to their clients.

I just want to make sure we recognise the efforts put in by the scientists and engineers that enabled the rapid switch to non-CFC based cooling systems. It's still an amazing achievement IMO, and something that required a remarkable amount of cooperation by people who probably don't cooperate often or at all (and are, in all likelihood, fairly hostile to eachother, most of the time).

IMO, that's still one of the best examples of global cooperation that anyone could possibly point to. Rarely do we have a problem where there's almost universal consensus on the issue and how to fix it. In this case, there was. That level of cooperation among the people of earth is borderline unparalleled; the only other times we cooperated this well that people would know about are usually negotiations done with the barrel of a gun. Namely the world wars. One group said that we're going to do a thing, another group said nope. It was settled with lives, bullets and bombs, and nearly every person alive was on one side or the other.... Except Sweden, I suppose... And maybe smaller countries that didn't have enough of an army to participate. (I'm sure there's dozens of reasons, but I'm not a historian)

Without guns, bombs, or even threats, just a presentation of the facts and a proposal for a solution, everyone just .... went along with it.

To me, that's unprecedented.

[–] Kalysta@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine if we did this with climate change. Imagine if we tried to switch to renewable energy en masse 20 years ago.

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

like as if we wanted to live

[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

And didn't they find a bunch of Chinese factories pumping them out again not long ago?

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just to be clear, are we sure that the ozone holes are still shrinking?

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As far as im aware the hole in the ozone layer is basically gone

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Actually there are signs it's been growing again. Because we forget history so quick.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I see articles up to 2022 talking about it shrinking, healing on the predicted timeframe. 2023 is a huge outlier, possibly caused by a volcano, but there’s variability every year. That doesn’t mean it’s growing again

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

I need to look into it again, but they had found favtories in china emiting a ton of it.

[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Sorry I left my ozone vacuum running overnight.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I literally had this exact exchange with someone last year, when they tried to cast doubt on global warming by comparing it to the ozone. Another person did the same , using acid rain, and I pointed out that the northeast sued the shit out of the Midwest until they cut that shit with the coal fire power plants.

[–] Yaztromo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Conservative Party led Canadian Government and the Regan-era Republican US Government started working on the US-Canada Air Quality Agreement, which was signed by the George H.W. Bush administration into law in the US (and the Brian Mulroney led Government of Canada).

That’s right — two Conservative governments identified a problem, listened to their scientists, and enacted a solution to acid rain. And now the problem has virtually disappeared.

Oh how low Conservatives have fallen on both sides of the border since those days.

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This has since been determined to have tack on benefits in the fight against the climate crisis as well, it's halved the potential growth in global average temperatures by 2100, which cannot be overstated in just how fantastic that is.

We went from everyone being baked alive and having 20 kinds of skin cancer to boot to merely dealing with catastrophic climate change and society changing people migrations the likes of which haven't been documented since the successive eras of steppe invasions into Europe, China, India, and the Middle East.

Out of the fire and into the frying pan.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I might just be drunk, but that was a very poetic turn of phrase.

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