But you can be mad and still love someone.
We hated you before Trump, we're going to hate you after him.
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I'm getting really tired of hate.
I’m a Floridian whose blood pressure dropped significantly after our midterm elections. The hate is literally harming my body. I know it’s not done and this is the first step out of many before we can be considered somewhat decent but I feel a little bit better about where America is as a country. But I don’t want you guys to let up on yet. Make it hard on us and make us learn a lesson. The hate sucks but it’s a motivator and a driver and we need some tough love right now. Don’t let up on us.
Tough love is when you persost in loving someone despite the difficulties in doing so. What people call "tough love" these days is just abrasiveness disguised as care, and that shift was caused by narcissistic sociopaths who characterize the harm they do to others as for their own good.
Yeah, no.
The government isn't the people, that much is clear. There are plenty here that fought against all this. You certainly can lump everyone together, but that's exactly the mentality that created MAGA in the first place, blind hate, divisiveness, its exactly what keeps everyone everywhere from a better world. Be better than that, it's starts with the individual.
The people still in large part voted for republicans, half of you are pepugnent with only some changing their votes due to oil being so high. Until we see the American government enact critical reform to its government, I will never trust it.
This, rightfully, should be the United States' eternal shame.
Nobody should ever, ever let us live this down, no matter how much time passes or how good our behavior on it's face may seem.
Given a lot of stuff from the past no one seems to care about, I seriously doubt that will happen.
I don't blame them not trusting the US government. Just wish I didn't get blamed for my asshole government and countrymen. I get it's the hazard of a collective association, but it sucks to be lumped in with people I despise and have fought to prevent.
As an Iranian I know this feeling. Damned if you do, damned if you don't; it's always too little, too late. You just gotta keep going, don't lose track of what's right.
As a Canadian, nah. America's basically manic/unstable. You voted in Biden after the first Trump shitshow, and then went back to Trump. There's absolutely no guarantee that America won't just elect Donald Trump Junior to be dictator in a future election cycle.
Even more, many dems are quietly supporting the general moves of the government, in regards to tariffs etc. They just wanted the verbiage to be a bit nicer, as America went about fucking over their allies.
Our leaders will likely bend over at some point, because that's what politicians seem to do. But for the rest of us, I hope we continue avoiding America, and continue pushing for separating our economies / cultures / critical industries. Only way I'd be enticed to consider moving closer to how ties were before, would be if we see America do what a "Leader" of the "Free world" should do: allow your war criminals to be tried in the international criminal court for their crimes against humanity etc.
Don't impeach. Send Hegseth to the Hague, then we'll talk.
Heghserh to the Hague would be one required step amongst thousands. At this point the USA will have to do much, MUCH more to become an acceptable neighbor
Amongst those steps
Official apologies for wanting to take over Canada, including the insults, threats, and acts of subterfuge (hello Alberta)
Sending both heghseth and trump to the Hague
Confiscatng all the money and assets the trump family gathered and stole during trumps presidency
A full reversal of prettt much every law trump added to the books during his tenancy
A reversal of all presidential pardons, put all those criminals back in jail
Official corruption investigationa on every level of government, jailing everyone involved
Official corruption and bribery investigations for all large companies that have worked with the US government, jailing all CEOs who bribed US government officials
Complete revision of how elections work
Send Hegseth to Tehran please, we will feed him ghormesabzi and recite poetry over tea.
I think Canada, Australia, Britain, and Europe are weak ghouls who stood by our side while we inflicted evil and misery on the world. At least in a moral sense, I'm glad Trump stuck his fingers in the pie and made all these Five Eyed goons run away.
It was especially disgusting to see everyone post pictures of dead soldiers and act like helping America fight all these wars was a noble thing that Trump was denigrating. Imagine being proud to wage war at the behest of corporate America.
At the end of the day, these ghoulish cultures didn't rebuke American policy, they rebuked Trump. They didn't like that their slice of the pie was being stolen by a conman. It skeeves me out to think we're going to grow closer again after all this. Really hope I'm wrong and we snap out of it.
I feel this way as an American. Average libs are thrilled that our team won but I'm here still worried we're trapped on the one way ratchet towards Idiocracy
It's never too late to turn things around. You are not alone. Millions of other Americans want the same. We're rooting for you guys, but you have to do the work.
Nah, they just need gas money.
Lol, nope. You people have done the absolute bare minimum in one isolated case and a significant chunk of America didn't even do that.
And let's be serious, it's not because you want us to be allies and friends again. It's because you're dissatisfied with fucking gas prices which are up because of a war YOU started.
We had decades of partnership and we Canadians stuck by you through thick and thin. We fought and died alongside you in Afghanistan, Italy, Normandy and battlefields around the world. We gave you our natural resources and our money. And then YOU destroyed that in a couple of years. We even gave you a second chance after the first disastrous Trump presidency. And you spat in our faces.
The only way we get to be friends again is after a VERY long and VERY sustained pattern of decent behavior on your part.
Until then fuck all the way off.
You heard the Canadians, people. There's still work to do.
America, you have yet to do anything about the core problems that we already didn't Iike about you, this can all change in 4 years, until we see drematic reformation of your executive and congressional branches, no dice.
I am of the (extreme) opinion, that nobody currently alive should seek any kind of relationship / alliance with Murica again. Let them suffer the consequences of their idiocy for a century. I mean, how deranged does one have to be to elect a child-rapist and 37-time convicted felon?
Of course, that's not gonna happen, but it'd be nice.
There are a lot of people who didn't elect a child-rapist that you are condemning. Think of the worst people you know; I don't want to be your friend because you know of that terrible person.
That’s how I feel about Germany but yet…
I don't love America, I'd honestly be happy if we stayed away for a good long while.
“I used to wonder how it was possible that Trump could have won in 2016 and then again in 2024, given how emotionally toxic, morally vacant, and psychologically mangled he is. I do not wonder anymore. He won for that exact reason. He was not a candidate. He was a mirror. If you were a racist, you found your guy. If you were a misogynist, you found your guy. If money was your only religion, you found your guy. If your heart was armoured shut, you found your guy. If you mocked disabled people, you found your guy. If you hated intelligent people, you found your guy. If you were a rapist, you found your guy. If you enjoyed golden showers with Russian sex workers, you found your guy. If you had done absolutely nothing to confront your emotional wreckage, you found your guy. If you were a serial cheater, you found your guy. If you were a perpetual bankrupt, you found your guy. If you stiffed honest workers, you found your guy. If you were a conman, you found your guy. If you mocked people’s appearances, you found your guy. If you longed for a toxic Daddy, you found your guy. If you were dissociated and disembodied, you found your guy. If you were unconscionable in every economic dealing, you found your guy. If you lied as naturally as breathing, you found your guy. If you had never eaten a green vegetable, you found your guy. If you were a white supremacist, you found your guy. If your ego contained a hole so large not even the presidency could fill it, you found your guy. If you were a sociopath who cared not one molecule about other humans, you found your guy. If he had only two of these traits, he never would have won. He won because he had hundreds of them, and millions of people recognized themselves in at least one. This has never been about Trump. It has always been about the people who finally had their worst instincts validated. Trump did not create the cruelty, he licensed it. He handed out permission slips for hate. He is merely a symptom of a far deeper disease: collective toxicity. If there is one sentence that explains Trump’s power, it is this: “He says the things I’m thinking.” That is the part that should chill the spine. Who knew that tens of millions of Americans were thinking such unconscionable things about their fellow citizens? Who knew how many white men felt so threatened by women and challenged by minorities that they were ready to torch democracy to feel big again? Who knew that after decades of apparent progress on race and gender, so many people were living in seething resentment, waiting for a demagogue to legitimize their worst selves and convert their bitterness into political power? We were living in a fool’s paradise. We aren’t anymore." — Michael Jochum
A great way to put actual words to people just saying "racism" as an explanation. They are not wrong, he enables people to say and do things that used to get them beat up or kicked out of an establishment. We have normalized some awful shit.
I used to summarize this as "he's the asshole candidate; he's got the asshole vote locked up," but this puts it much better.
Thank you for this quote and for providing the source. It's very well put.
Thank you.
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What the USA needs is impeachment, removal (with 100% approval from Congress), and then constitutional reforms to ensure that this never happens again.
Instead, what we're seeing is several prominent Democrats already backtracking and making excuses for doing nothing. Then the pendulum will just swing back again.
No, there will be no forgiveness.
Nothing gets 100% approval in Congress
The world was in a forgiving mood when they elected him once. But to do it again, AFTER they knew what he was like. That's a Hell No from the rest of the world. Go play with someone on fucken Mars
Someone asked, “Why do some British people not like Trump?” An articulate and witty writer wrote the following response: “A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Obama possessd. So, the stark contrast does throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief. Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty, or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I do not say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it is a fact. He does not even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty. Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he does not just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and automatic nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance, or depth. It is all surface. Some might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we do not. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He is not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He is more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege. And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully and racist. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down. So, the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a few of us– of look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that: You do not need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man. This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty hard to miss. After all, it is impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumps of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created? If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Nate Whight
It's not a matter of simply waiting out one bad president and then expecting everything to go back to normal.
It's naive to think that there isn't an enormous fundamental public sentiment in America of everything that Trump and current day Republicans represent.
The rest of the world no longer trusts America and has been spending that last few years forging new friendships and alliances.
It will take generations to come back from the damage America has done to themselves over that last decade.
You won't come back from what trump did the last two years, ever.
That post WW2 rush just went away, like the magic smoke leaving an expensive processor that was pushed too hard.
IMO you can only aim to be a normal country now.
You are a lot more optimistic than I am. Here in Sweden our politicians are still all buddy-bud with the US, seemingly completely unaffected by the repeated threats and tantrums.
We'll be good little lapdogs.
And it will never be completely the same. The amount distrust towards everything that is American like tech, products and politics has never been this high. It finally opened Europe’s eyes to see that it needs to be less dependent on America.
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It's not even about apologizing it's about proving that such a thing can never happen again. And as far as I know the Republicans are still around the exact same people that allowed this situation to happen are still in government, and are technically still in charge.
Perhaps if we start seeing prisons sentences things will improve.
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There is a Japanese saying that is something like "A thousand years of good reputation is lost in a single hour."
Trump and those that propped him up has burned through the single most valuable resource the US had. Trust.
A thousand years of good reputation
LOL
Soft power is a helluva drug.
Turns out programs like USAID went a long way.
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