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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 364 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Do they realize that what they really said was: having shareholders destroys businesses.

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 132 points 5 days ago

Anyone who isn't head deep in Capitalism understands that, yeah.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 42 points 5 days ago

shareholders in public companies dont care about the health of the business

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The full quote in the context of the article makes it even worse:

"As long as Valve is independent and not a publicly traded company, they probably have a certain ambition, but not an extraordinary ambition," Rosier says. "So I think they can still decide to make some decisions that are player-first, and that helps, right? To get the goodwill from the players."

So, customers like using a product that focuses on the customers to create profits, rather than extracting profits by abusing the customer? How unambitious... /s

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[–] isekaihero@ani.social 56 points 4 days ago

100% hard agree. Not launching an IPO is the single best thing Gaben has ever done. Letting in corporate executives would utterly destroy Valve and run them into the ground to fund their golden parachutes. It's happened time and again. Professional "executives" do not run companies for the benefit of the customer they run them into the ground to make themselves richer. Kudos to Gaben for being intelligent enough to recognize this and keep Valve private.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 33 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Well that's because pretty much all of the competition are terrible.

There hasn't really been much innovation in digital market space since the concept arose. Valve started it and a few other companies over the years of tried, including Microsoft and all have failed.

I think valve succeeded because they weren't trying to make a digital market place, it started out as just a distribution platform so not every decision was about how to make the most money out of the customer. You make the money on the games, not the platform and then you build up from there.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah really is down to the only platform that isn't repeatedly shooting itself in the foot is GoG and their no DRM policy has a lot of major publishers saying no deal.

In all other cases it's less what Valve does right, and more what everyone around them is doing wrong.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 4 days ago

I and I guess itch.io as well but that's mostly because of how easy it is to get a game on the platform so it's really good for small games and demos.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 days ago

Gabe's strategy is public information at this point. He's gone on record several times with the information.

The focus is on what gamers want first. Reduce barriers to entry. Simplify the process. That naturally attracts customers and the money making happens as a result.

Every single other company has this reversed.

[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 149 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (27 children)

Huh. What an unexpectedly damning indictment of the extraction-oriented enshittification market aka capitalism

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[–] 13igtyme@startrek.website 113 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Gabe will eventually die and the MBA that takes over will see the quick paycheck.

[–] Skunk@jlai.lu 61 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Gabe will probably have it own by all of valve employees, so enshitification would be less likely.

Maybe I’m wrong but hey let me have some hope.

[–] creamfresh@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago (1 children)

turn it into a coop you say?

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[–] Mikina@programming.dev 80 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (21 children)

Shocking, that when a company's real purpose and focus is to make a product for customers, as opposed to making money for the investors, it is better for the customers...

Gabe dying is the major thing I fear in my life... It's the last compamy I know about that's not getting enshitiffied.

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[–] abc@suppo.fi 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Have they tried making a better product?

Or scratch that. Have they tried making a product that is as good?

[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 58 points 5 days ago (13 children)

These guys are so privileged they think they are entitled to success without innovation.

THERE WAS NOTHING LIKE STEAM AT THE TIME.

If they want what Gabe has they need to do what he did: INNOVATE.

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 53 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Steam could be assholes.

They are not.

Best argument for no public trading of the company.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Public trading results in short-sighted planning because investors can always buy/sell stocks and move on to whatever is profitable moment to moment. Private companies plan longer term because the investors benefit from the company's long-term success. Their profits come from the company's profits, not the value of the stock.

Make no mistake, Valve is in it for the money. They're as greedy as anyone. But they operate under a corporate structure that values the long-term viability of its platform.

And they're still assholes. They are all about lootboxes, DLC, etc. And they take a massive cut of sales. Do Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo do the same? Yeah - but they also provide the hardware platforms. Does Best Buy and Gamestop charge similar fees? Yeah - but they have the overhead of the retail locations. Steam makes stupid money off a download platform and game launcher.

Gabe is a billionaire yacht collector, not your friend. His greed just takes a longer view than that of someone looking to sell their shares from minute to minute.

[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 27 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The biggest thing these days is that they are not hostile towards their customers. The bar is that fucking low.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago
  1. Provide a good and cheap service.
  2. Improve the service over time with some of the money you make.
  3. Make pro-consumer choices knowing full well you can afford it.
  4. ???
  5. Watch competition repeatedly shoot itself in the crotch.
  6. Profit.
[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 50 points 5 days ago

My steam account is 22 years old. I probably have 400+ games on there. I do believe in GOG and try to buy games there where I can, but if I have a choice between the major platforms, I will pretty much always choose steam. I bought a bunch of games on Xbox Live and my PS3 back in the 2000s that I no longer have access to. There's a certain subset of gamers for whom Steam will always be the platform of choice.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Amazing what is possible when you're not beholden to shareholders that only give a shit about quarterly profits at the expense of everything else, including the entire business.

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[–] danielfm123@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As long as they don't need EGS money, DEI hires, HR ladies and stakeholders ideas and they keep focusing in customer satisfaction over quarter results and last trends, Steam will be fine.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (8 children)

I remain baffled at how few studios sell their games directly on their own site.

The practical barriers are virtually nonexistent, so I’m assuming there’s some form of capitalist fuckery going on behind the scenes that makes it financially unviable?

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Probably not. Even MS couldn't do it and they owned the platform. Now Valve push Linux. No other store really runs on that, and certainly not in a way that lets you run games written for Windows.

Epic are closest to being a competitor, and they're still just a free games platform that will only run until the Fortnite money stops coming in.

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[–] GottaHaveFaith@fedia.io 28 points 5 days ago (6 children)

People don't want their library split on multiple stores. There's always going to be a monopoly because of that, unless we start having multiple exclusives on different platforms. For videogames it's accentuated by the fact that people want to be able to interact with friends, so they need to be on the same platform. Steam came first and had the best features, so they won.

Music? Spotify is in front of everything else

TV/Movies? This is the exception, as in this case there's a lot of content that can be available on a platform and not the other. Netflix is still first, but if you look at the numbers the gap is lower.

I used to buy everything on gog, now with the steam deck I went back to steam. Yeah I know, I can use gog there too, but using steam is easier for sync etc. So, you see, steam made something amazing, the steam deck, and everybody copied it, but they were still the first.

If gog made a steam deck client with easy management I'd gladly go back to them. They still take a 30% cut but I'm happy to support DRM free games. Itch is also nice but they don't have a lot of games (I do play 99% Indies).

IMHO there are no good or realistic solutions:

  • lots of exclusives
  • interoperability between stores, like the fediverse (this would actually be really cool)
  • everybody sell games directly
  • everybody goes back to buy physical
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It helps that the industry seems to always be inhabited by the greediest, most misanthropic companies on the planet.

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