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Who on Linux is going to consent to Microsoft telemetry on their machine?
Corporations
You know... Morons.
"I install the malware to protec me from malware"
It’s just gonna be part of security audit theater. “Prove your organization is [x] compliant.”
IT: you have to use windows so we can add your computer to intune
Developer: no
IT: Microsoft pls
Microsoft: Ok it’s on Linux now, that’ll be another seat license for clamav wrapped in our logo or something
IT: omg we’re so secure
Auditing company: omg they’re so secure
Wait til you learn about EDR like crowd strike
IT departments that need to check the box thats says "does your organization have antivirus or anti malware protection on all desktops?". Common in soc audits and cyber insurance attestations.
ClamAV exists...
Yeah but clamav doesn’t have “a centralized dashboard with mdm and intune integration” e.g. a spreadsheet that says when everyone’s last scan was and that their definitions are up to date so the security theater can exist. Not to worry, more likely than not this is just built on a mountain of open source software like clamav that’s probably MIT licensed so MS can slap their logo on it and charge for it
There already better alternatives like clamav but I guess that assumes the IT department is actually Linux proficient.
“does your organization have antivirus or anti malware protection on all desktops?”
Talk about suggestive question phrasing. Where better organisational security could often be accomplished by assuming every device attached to the network is a potential threat, and focusing on the network security, shielding devices against each other with only whitelisted protocols, plus locking down all devices that are configured by corporate IT.
Practical IT security in most orgs these days is "configure a big firewall with default settings from corporate provider, assuming everything is safe inside." then they get one compromised device (USB stick, cell phone transfer, exploit, whatever) and the whole ass network is fucked. and they have a "oh well, we did everything we can" excuse. fucking BS.
Complicate requirement are kind of out of date. They keep adding requirements to them but then don't often take them away. So if a requiment made sense 20 years ago it's still there even though there are better strategies to protect your environment.
You could skip a requiment if you can establish a compensatinh control and show that the threat the requirements is intended to address is addressed. For example skipping antivirus by reimagining the devices every morning, this is an absurd example but would work.
Defense industry, and basically every 3-letter agency. Probably a lot of state- and county-level government offices too.
People agree to Google telemetry on their Linux phones.
Why is there google telemetry on Nura, Ubuntu Touch and SailfishOS?
Android is Linux with orders of magnitude more users than all of those combined.
On their own machine, maybe not. On their employer's machine, maybe if the employer demands it.
I didn’t realize businesses used Linux. Every place I’ve worked it’s been windows and Chrome/Edge.
It's mostly Windows of course. But some people in those companies may prefer to use Linux, and this gives a them a higher chance of being allowed to do so. I for one am running Linux in a company that's increasingly pushing for Microsoft stuff.
I use a Linux desktop for work. My employer is constantly threatening to replace it with a mac "so they can control it". Their main control point is microsoft defender. I would rather have defender on my work machine than be forced to use a mac.
see for work it makes sense because you hopefully don't do personal stuff on that computer, there's no hope of privacy on a work computer.
People will scoff at this but speaking from experience Defender is a very good AV if you are using MS Windows. MS has a vested interest in keeping their flagship OS safe.
Putting it on Linux though? No . Fucking. Way .
It's one of the few things they ever got right.
E: I should also say that the release of Defender was devastating to my "house doctor" PC services side-hustle. E2 XP SP1 out also rocked my profits - that RPC vuln was a gold mine
I wonder if there will be a libre version of this. Somehow use just the database with an open source version with no telemetry
I was going to say something but clammed up
clamav works fine on my mums laptop.
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They can now ditch the dumpster fire of an OS that is Windows and lobby for the adoption of a corporate choke-point on Linux while continuing to bludgeon the remaining bits of your dignity and soverignity. At least this could be so for enterprise Linux.
And it'll probably feel 150% faster compared to Windows. Just like Edge. lol
Mildly related: I might try to convince my job to let me use Linux come device refresh time. But we use all Microsoft stuff. Is support for Teams, OneDrive, etc reliable on Linux? I have, of course, avoided it like the plague for personal use so I don't know. Is anyone else in a similar situation?
I've used Teams on Linux and it worked fine. Granted it was basically just a wrapper for the web version, similarly with Outlook for Linux. I've not used One Drive on Linux, but that is what I'd be more concerned about.
Maybe they're already capitulating, accepting they couldn't write a proper os even if their damned lives depended on it and the next windows release will be a bastardised Linux distro with wine/proton built in so the compatibility would be transparent to the user. But idk, these are only hopes, I doubt that the people at Microsoft are that self aware and, even if they are, they'll find a thousand ways to fuck it up.
It'll most likely be used immutables more than anything. Which is shit for me because I fucking love Ubuntu.
See I am the key to bad things happening!!!!
I switch to Ubuntu because windows slows down my ram speed and then windows goes and adds its security into it and makes it so that they're part of the OS no matter what.
ah the tech onion
Lolno. Not happening on any of my machines.
well that's a big F you for people enjoying freedom at work by using linux instead of windows and avoiding corpo bs